AltME DevCon Chat - May 11

Messages

NameMessageTime (Paris)
Rebolinth Is there an Agenda for today? 11 May
08:29:43
Rebolinth an Agenda for the remote user... 11 May
08:30:24
Sunanda Rebolinth....The schedule is here:
http://devcon2007.rebdocproj.org/schedule.html
I don't know of any changes to it -- yet.
The conference starts in 10 minutes, at least in theory. Ladislav and I have arrived on time :-)
11 May
08:50:52
Pekr thanks for the info, Sunanda - the live stream is not there yet, right? 11 May
08:51:58
Pekr Rebolinth - there were 2 presentations missing yesterday - Reichart's, and Carl's "Embedding REBOL" .... 11 May
08:52:33
Pekr Sunanda - any other interesting info, said during Banquet? :-) 11 May
08:52:51
Rebolinth everyone is probably still enjoying there croissant avec le caffee, Enjoy ;-) 11 May
08:53:04
Reichart Hopefullly. 11 May
08:54:48
Mario I still remember your sleepy face during the DevCon 2005 breakfasts :) 11 May
08:57:57
Pekr Reichart - how went your bike-ride yesterday? Is there big damage to your park? Or is it renewable? 11 May
08:58:23
Mario face = faces not yours in particular Reichart 11 May
08:58:29
Mario Reichart: did anyone told you the software/hardware used for the streaming? 11 May
09:00:04
Reichart lost about 350 hectacres.....very sad. 11 May
09:00:13
Will when does the show begin? 11 May
09:00:53
Reichart I do a 20km ride in about 45 minutes...love teh ride, but the whole valley was yellow with ash. 11 May
09:00:54
Mario What's happened to the park?! 11 May
09:01:03
Reichart Fire 11 May
09:01:10
Mario :( 11 May
09:01:23
Mario Too hot weather or an accident? 11 May
09:01:42
Rebolinth nucliar powerplant experiments probably ;-) 11 May
09:02:13
Reichart Homeless man living in the park smoking a cig caugt himself and park on fire. 11 May
09:02:21
Reichart No, have not learned system specs of Cam set up in france. Nor if I'm giving a talk right now. 11 May
09:03:25
Mario Didn't they set up a skype session with you? No tests before the event? 11 May
09:04:30
Reichart LOL 11 May
09:04:51
Reichart You mean afterI asked for a test last week?.................................no.... 11 May
09:05:06
Rebolinth ..ici le truc..le record-button... 11 May
09:05:34
Mario That was my fault too... But I had to deal with Telecom Italia: no way to change settings of their lines/firewalls in less than a month and without a new contract... 11 May
09:06:04
Rebolinth btw..does the Qt stream work? I mean was it only the whole time yesterday? and how is the sound? 11 May
09:09:34
Rebolinth only=online 11 May
09:09:47
Sunanda Petr -- I learned a lot about Texas during the banquet, but I wasn't close enough to Carl to hear any dropped revelations. 11 May
09:10:02
Reichart It was up about 80%
20% it required refresh
11 May
09:10:16
Mario Good sound, connect to: rtsp://195.220.133.26:80/dess-capture.sdp vith VLC 11 May
09:10:44
Sunanda Techie is setting uo the cameras now. 11 May
09:10:45
Rebolinth Any idea how many remote user connections it pulls? 11 May
09:10:53
Reichart The quality was nice though. 11 May
09:10:58
Pekr Sunanda - OK ... you know, we are eager for more info. I really thought Carl's slides will be released ;-) The camera is fine, but maybe I would prefer it zoomed on the slides to be able to read it, and to "just" hear Carl's voice in the background ... 11 May
09:11:11
Reichart We know about 5-10 of us were pulling at the same time. 11 May
09:11:22
Sunanda Max said he had 400 people connected during his presentation yesterday. 11 May
09:11:25
Rebolinth ha oke.. cant wait to peek in ;-) 11 May
09:11:26
Rebolinth good idea pekr... 11 May
09:12:03
Will video is on 11 May
09:12:06
Reichart 400? Really? 11 May
09:12:10
Gabriele hi everyone :) 11 May
09:12:42
Will Cia Gabriele 8)) 11 May
09:12:55
Reichart I find that hard to..........er understand............WOW (the game) rarely gets 400 people in public events let alone a tech conference in France... 11 May
09:12:58
Will CIAO 11 May
09:12:59
Rebolinth Bon giorno.. 11 May
09:13:05
Pekr hi Gabriele. Any secret revelation durin Banquet? Or just wine & fun? :-) 11 May
09:13:17
Sunanda Petr -- Carl says sorry slides not online yet. 11 May
09:13:19
Reichart Buenas Dias Senor 11 May
09:13:25
Rebolinth does it stream already? Or am i on the wrong page? 11 May
09:14:05
Henrik stream works fine here 11 May
09:14:17
Will reichard: we need a clap button on altme 11 May
09:14:21
Rebolinth http://www.sahores-conseil.com/rebol2007.html ? 11 May
09:14:37
Will rebolinth: http://ead.ephe.sorbonne.fr/dess-capture.sdp streaming now 11 May
09:14:42
Gabriele Reichart, we don't see you on skype 11 May
09:14:57
Rebolinth aaaaaaaaa yes thanks 11 May
09:15:13
Gabriele i think it was 4-5 people not 400 on the stream, but i don't know 11 May
09:15:44
Reichart See correct....I have not connected teh camera 11 May
09:15:46
Rebolinth aaa yes now http://www.sahores-conseil.com/rebol2007.html works too 11 May
09:16:30
Pekr I also wondered, who would be those 400 ppl ... there are not so many amigans plus rebollers left in the world :-) 11 May
09:16:43
Reichart We can see video (poor quality though) 11 May
09:17:09
Rebolinth no fine here.. 11 May
09:17:22
Rebolinth a little sharper perhpas.. 11 May
09:17:42
Sunanda Max confirms the techie said 400. Perhaps 10% are reconnects. 11 May
09:17:47
Reichart 4-5 ....yes, that would make sense. 11 May
09:17:56
Will did not get my iTV yet so had to open about 40 stream to fill all the 60 inches monitor in the room 11 May
09:18:03
Terry 400? I find that hard to believe. 11 May
09:18:06
Gabriele reichart calling :) 11 May
09:18:49
Rebolinth phone.. 11 May
09:19:08
Sunanda Me too, Terry. I'm just relaying what I've been told. 11 May
09:19:23
Gabriele we hear you 11 May
09:19:25
Gabriele but we see a monitor i think 11 May
09:19:31
Gabriele they're ttrying to make your vid full screen 11 May
09:20:08
Gabriele ok you're there now 11 May
09:20:29
Gabriele we see a funny face 11 May
09:20:37
Will Hello Reichart 8)) 11 May
09:20:58
Gabriele yes 11 May
09:21:06
Sunanda We hear you 11 May
09:21:11
Terry Look .. Reichart's on the space station ;) 11 May
09:21:16
Rebolinth Sound is actualy too loud on qt... 11 May
09:21:21
Terry Anyway to boost the treble? 11 May
09:22:04
Gabriele sound is a bit too loud here too actually 11 May
09:22:19
Pekr sound is bruuuumming (czech term :-), so it is difficult to distinguish english for me :-) 11 May
09:22:49
Will if you are on os x download "audio hijack pro" http://www.rogueamoeba.com/audiohijackpro/ u can pipe the sound trhu equalizers, filters, ecc 11 May
09:23:45
Gabriele (i wonder if the stream should be off during this to give more bw to skype) 11 May
09:23:49
Terry no way 11 May
09:24:15
Henrik I asked yesterday if the sound could be piped to the stream, but that probably would clash with the room audio 11 May
09:24:21
Pekr :-) 11 May
09:24:24
Rebolinth enjoy the coffee carl.. 11 May
09:24:34
Rebolinth ill grab one too.. 11 May
09:24:42
Pekr So guys, who was close to Carl yesterday and has any new secret info? :-) 11 May
09:24:57
Rebolinth hahaha your very currious pekr...haha 11 May
09:25:17
Gabriele me. and i won't tell you anything ;) 11 May
09:25:21
Gabriele didec was close too... you may try with him ;) 11 May
09:25:42
Henrik seems no one is home to answer the phone 11 May
09:25:50
Pekr guys, I will format your notebooks next year ;-) 11 May
09:25:55
Gabriele this is your punishment for not coming here to have fun with us :P 11 May
09:26:20
Rebolinth no answering machines in france? 11 May
09:26:22
Sunanda A suggestion.....Various people have asked questions here, some have been passed on or answered, Others have got lost in the chatter.
Why not some set up a DevCon Questions page here:
http://devcon2007.on-arran.com/
People can then add their questions, and they won't get lost.
11 May
09:26:37
Gabriele anyway petr, no secret was talked about... just the usual stuff 11 May
09:27:55
Pekr Sunanda - because someone would have to pass them on Carl anyway :-) 11 May
09:28:02
Pekr It would be sufficient, if his slides could be posted online 11 May
09:28:26
Gabriele Reichart........... it seems like you lost your chance, they're letting Carl speak now 11 May
09:29:02
Pekr that is strange organisation, isn't it? :-) 11 May
09:29:26
Gabriele R3 open environment and extensions 11 May
09:29:42
Pekr well, cool anyway! 11 May
09:29:55
Terry sound is good 11 May
09:29:57
Sunanda One URL, Petr, and all the questions are on one page. 11 May
09:30:00
Reichart Back 11 May
09:31:41
Gabriele Carl says Reichart can go if he's ready 11 May
09:32:10
Reichart Yup. 11 May
09:32:27
Reichart REady 11 May
09:32:31
Gabriele they're trying to call you 11 May
09:32:34
Gabriele it rings here 11 May
09:32:41
Terry That was a long boot.. must be windows ;) 11 May
09:32:48
Reichart I hear it there but not here LOL 11 May
09:32:58
Gabriele Reichart try to call us 11 May
09:33:09
Gabriele hopefully it'll work..... 11 May
09:33:18
Rebolinth aaaa nice... 11 May
09:33:42
Reichart LOL does not show you guys as online! 11 May
09:33:45
Reichart 3 Billion gets you this! 11 May
09:33:51
Reichart Trying agian. 11 May
09:34:07
Gabriele ok 11 May
09:34:19
Pekr that is really strange. I never saw Skype before and two weeks ago when we had meeting from high-school, I set-up Skype in 5-10 minutes, including registration, installation, and our town - Dallas call was OK. Well, but I am my ISP too :-) 11 May
09:35:08
Reichart We are trying... 11 May
09:35:45
Henrik well, it worked before? anything changed since then? 11 May
09:36:09
Pekr there is maybe some Skype blocking or problem with the ISP .... 11 May
09:36:34
Reichart Yes, we did not offer a sacrifice to teh MS gods each and every day. 11 May
09:36:35
Gabriele Skype is not 100% reliable. i use it a lot and 20% of the times it does not work correctly 11 May
09:36:46
Rebolinth show of the slides please.. 11 May
09:37:08
Rebolinth yes thaks...good shot 11 May
09:37:18
Reichart I see remonts now, but will not connect. 11 May
09:37:18
Reichart Yeah, point the camera correclty. 11 May
09:37:29
Pekr I would not interrupt Carl anymore - if someone is recording the session, it would be chaotic, no? 11 May
09:37:35
Gabriele we see reichart 11 May
09:38:12
Henrik now the autofocusing problem again... 11 May
09:38:45
Pekr ah, camera refocusing once again ... 11 May
09:38:48
Terry camera is trying to focus 11 May
09:38:52
Pekr that must be some cheap shitty camera - we need Axis :-) 11 May
09:39:16
Reichart I am delayed about 60 seconss!!!!! 11 May
09:39:26
Henrik LOL 11 May
09:39:36
Terry you talk, we listen 11 May
09:39:50
Rebolinth can the cam be pointed to the beam ? 11 May
09:40:14
Reichart Gab, can they move teh Cam towards teh projector? 11 May
09:41:25
Gabriele ok they muted the mic 11 May
09:41:41
Gabriele you won't hear us now but we hear you fine 11 May
09:41:52
Gabriele so go ahead 11 May
09:41:55
Terry camera left plese 11 May
09:42:11
Gabriele go ahead 11 May
09:42:18
Rebolinth no left ;-) 11 May
09:42:28
Will zin zin zin ?? 11 May
09:42:41
Sunanda 1 2 3 : perfect 11 May
09:42:43
Rebolinth yes 11 May
09:42:52
Terry aye carumba 11 May
09:42:55
Gabriele go reichart it's all fine here 11 May
09:42:55
Rebolinth focus.. 11 May
09:42:58
Rebolinth k 11 May
09:43:06
Sunanda in sync -- good to go 11 May
09:43:11
Rebolinth 5 degrees left 11 May
09:43:19
Gabriele it's ok 11 May
09:43:22
Reichart I no longer hear teh room. 11 May
09:43:26
Gabriele just go ahead ;) 11 May
09:43:27
Gabriele yeah we muted the mic 11 May
09:43:36
Reichart I am not a SMURF! 11 May
09:43:43
Reichart ANYMORe..............er. 11 May
09:43:49
Maxim yes 11 May
09:43:56
Gabriele yes 11 May
09:43:56
Will are there any pretty rebol girls? 11 May
09:44:49
Gabriele we're fine you can go on 11 May
09:44:50
Gabriele Carl says: Talk! 11 May
09:44:57
Sunanda Carl says talk! 11 May
09:44:58
Brock regarding the auto-focus, maybe this can be turned off? 11 May
09:46:49
Rebolinth do [ move cam -35 degrees ] 11 May
09:48:57
Gabriele (cam operator is not on altme and i think he does not speak english) 11 May
09:49:59
Brock good thing he's talking Rebol :-) 11 May
09:50:24
Gabriele no questions here 11 May
09:51:43
Gabriele Carl 11 May
09:51:59
Gabriele has a question 11 May
09:52:02
Will hom many attendee at the conference? 11 May
09:53:06
Gabriele i think 27 11 May
09:53:18
Pekr 27 yesterday ... 11 May
09:53:19
Gabriele there was a question from Crl 11 May
09:58:45
Gabriele Carl 11 May
09:58:48
Gabriele but about earlier 11 May
09:58:57
Reichart What si the question? 11 May
09:59:30
Gabriele earlier, when he said user interface, was he statinng the ui as an abstraction or the ui as a gfx manifestation? 11 May
09:59:33
Reichart One sec 11 May
09:59:57
Gabriele yes all ok 11 May
10:07:12
Reichart Please confirm I sound ok 11 May
10:07:14
Gabriele we hear you greatly 11 May
10:07:17
Rebolinth yes oe 11 May
10:07:23
Rebolinth k 11 May
10:07:27
Anton pretty good 11 May
10:07:36
Terry Ruby sucks 11 May
10:14:23
Terry :) 11 May
10:14:30
Rebolinth :) 11 May
10:14:35
Brock what is the name of the framework? 11 May
10:16:19
Gabriele Quilt 11 May
10:16:26
Maxim quilt 11 May
10:16:27
Brock tx 11 May
10:16:39
Robert Can someone turn the Cam to the screen. Sound seems to come from behind the cam and sounds awful... 11 May
10:20:02
Rebolinth please do [ move cam ] 11 May
10:20:19
Brock not to mention the guy sleeping in the foreground! 11 May
10:20:33
Gabriele it can't focus on the screen 11 May
10:20:37
Terry hehe 11 May
10:20:47
Anton perhaps the audience, then 11 May
10:21:10
Rebolinth hee it works.. 11 May
10:21:25
Mario source please 11 May
10:21:46
Rebolinth is there a prototype/demo available? or sceen shots? 11 May
10:26:21
Reichart ANy questions? 11 May
10:26:34
Terry Q. Is Rebol being delegated to the backend forever? 11 May
10:27:04
Anton Quilt user interface layout spec examples ? 11 May
10:27:11
Terry In other words, is the desktop dead? 11 May
10:27:36
Anton I certainly haven't lost sight of the desktop. I think the way forward is to improve the viewtop and then get it into the web plugin. 11 May
10:28:50
Robert Reichart looks so flat from the side... 11 May
10:28:58
Anton that's alright, we can just "enhance the image" a few times. 11 May
10:29:49
Rebolinth viewtop is still a great concept..dont kill it.. 11 May
10:30:39
Gabriele Reichart..... do you want me to explain Anton how Quilt works? 11 May
10:30:46
Anton I just want to see some code snippets. 11 May
10:31:25
Will yea me too please 11 May
10:31:49
Pekr what are we talking about? Surely Quilt does not replace View, no? 11 May
10:32:13
Gabriele ok... so basically.... you have cards which are like windows, and molecules which are like widgets 11 May
10:32:23
Gabriele cards are generated by a "generator" which is a function that outputs html and a few small other things 11 May
10:32:58
Terry Vive le Manifestaions 11 May
10:33:12
Gabriele it can call other functions that return the html for the molecules 11 May
10:33:17
Gabriele this goes to the client side... which also loads your JS file with the classes for your card and molecules 11 May
10:33:45
Gabriele and then drives the ui on the client side 11 May
10:33:59
Terry In my opinion, Rebol should FOCUS on the backend.. aka Cheynne.. data storage etc. 11 May
10:34:29
Gabriele then the ui just calls back the server via qtask api (blowdart) 11 May
10:34:31
Anton ok, yes, I've heard this explanation before. What are the widgets called etc. ? 11 May
10:34:36
Gabriele generate-content: func [
is-card content-generator cardid
dimensions js-files dialog-arr args
/local
l_width l_height l_id l_src js-classname
] [
l_src: none
if not is-card [l_id: cardid]
switch content-generator [
"file.fileshare" [
obj: make quilt/ret-obj [
src: build-fileshare
title: "Your files"
short-title: "Files"
]
quilt/add-dialog dialog-arr "fileupload" "FileShareUpload" rejoi
n [
"<p>Please select a file to upload:</p>"
quilt/basic-molecule/class/id {
<iframe src="about:blank" style="border: none; height: 60px; width:
250px;">IFRAME not displayed!</iframe>
<p style="display: none;">Uploading file... <img src="/images/Qtask-
Bar-64.gif" /></p>
11 May
10:37:40
Pekr So what is Quilt in general? Sorry, was not here for the most of the presentation. Is that just Qtask infrastructure "front-end" for browser client? 11 May
10:37:45
Gabriele i'll save you most of the rest of the html there... 11 May
10:38:03
Gabriele either is-card [
insert tail js-files "card/FileShare.js"
set [l_id l_src] framework/basic-card/floating/originX/origi
nY/width/height/title/short-title/class
obj/src cardid content-generator dimensions/1 dimensions/2
any [dimensions/3 "640px"] any [dimensions/4 "500px"]
obj/title obj/short-title "FileShare"
] [
l_src: quilt/contextualize obj/src "FileShare" cardid
]
]
]
reduce [l_id js-classname l_src]
]
11 May
10:38:20
Rebolinth where can we re-read Quilt information on the web? 11 May
10:39:41
Gabriele (not afaik, but Reichart will answer you) 11 May
10:40:20
Terry Q. Given the mashup philosophy, what, if any community support is there for javascript dialect, CSS dialect etc? 11 May
10:41:30
Anton thx Gabriele 11 May
10:41:49
Rebolinth Q: wondering where is the money in the Quilt concept? Is it in your own applications or in the framework rights? (i missed the start of you speach..sorry) 11 May
10:43:58
Gabriele afaik quilt is just the ui "framework" for qtask. 11 May
10:44:39
Anton Great question ! 11 May
10:45:05
Rebolinth ;-) 11 May
10:45:16
Terry I meant within the Rebol community.. can we work together to build browser based dialects, support? 11 May
10:45:33
Anton World of Warcraft has its own currency. Are you planning your own trading system within Qtask ? 11 May
10:45:35
Rebolinth intresting reichart..thanks.. 11 May
10:45:57
Anton .. and Second Life. 11 May
10:46:00
Gabriele (btw guys, please keep in mind our time is limited ;) 11 May
10:46:37
Pekr but it reminded me of your doc, where you suggested to separate app logic and UI representation. I can imagine having rebol framework back-end, featuring various engines - callendaring, task management, general workflow engine etc., and API for user interface. And the client? - would be translated into web browser interface or represented by Rebol View UI. Possible? :-) 11 May
10:46:38
Pekr your doc equals Gabriele's proposition on next gen Rebol's UI concept ... 11 May
10:47:17
Gabriele petr, possible, but quilt does not do that, there is no dialect. 11 May
10:47:29
Pekr I think it will be better to continue here on altme .... 11 May
10:47:50
Maxim shut up! 11 May
10:48:25
Maxim ;-) 11 May
10:48:35
Rebolinth haha 11 May
10:48:37
Pekr What I miss so far is - more strategic view. We know little of R3, well, we know some bits, but still no bigger picture - integration strategies, what happens to View, what is the idea behind View, IOS, altME integration? 11 May
10:48:43
Maxim cindy asks if you can talk any faster? 11 May
10:48:52
Dockimbel Reichart, please think of concluding now. We are out of schedule by far !! (DideC speaking) 11 May
10:49:27
Maxim like 2 hours off... 11 May
10:49:40
Rebolinth very nice reichart..thanks ! hope to read more about Quilt/qtask details soon... 11 May
10:50:11
Anton Thankyou Reichart. 11 May
10:50:20
Maxim thanks a lot :-) 11 May
10:50:31
Terry Applause from Canada 11 May
10:50:34
Sunanda Applause! 11 May
10:50:35
Gabriele thank you reichart!! 11 May
10:50:37
Anton Claps.. 11 May
10:50:48
Maxim nice information. 11 May
10:50:51
Dockimbel ( Lot of clap in the audience) making sound by keyboard !! 11 May
10:50:57
Will CLAP CLAP CLAP 11 May
10:50:58
Reichart LOL 11 May
10:51:04
Rebolinth slamming croissants.. 11 May
10:51:09
Reichart Boy it is hard to speak this slow................... 11 May
10:51:13
Anton Need a "clap" key. 11 May
10:51:17
Brock tx 11 May
10:51:25
Maxim haha 11 May
10:51:25
Rebolinth now move that cam ! 11 May
10:51:52
Gabriele hey riechart, you stole time to Carl ;) 11 May
10:51:54
Pekr soo, what's next? 11 May
10:51:55
Reichart By hard I mean blah bla blah uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh blah blah blah. 11 May
10:51:57
Terry Can Doc wave to the folks here please 11 May
10:52:03
PhilB What is next? When is Carl talking about embedding? 11 May
10:52:07
Reichart YEah we can see carl talking to 4 people 11 May
10:52:19
PhilB more handgrenades going off 11 May
10:52:30
Gabriele we're having a break 11 May
10:52:35
Rebolinth www.qtask.com ? 11 May
10:52:43
Reichart I see Luca, Ladislav, Didier 11 May
10:52:53
Gabriele i'll keep the contacts... everyone else having a break :) 11 May
10:53:00
Reichart Norman, Qtask is by invite only right now. 11 May
10:53:14
Rebolinth oke... 11 May
10:53:25
Reichart All you have to do is ask though and you will be invited. 11 May
10:53:27
Rebolinth I liek to know if the concept fits in our products.. 11 May
10:53:41
Anton Anyone got some papier et stylo ? Write "doucement" and stick it on the door. 11 May
10:53:54
Rebolinth I work in the mobile market 11 May
10:53:59
Reichart You might be impresed by Qtask mobile 11 May
10:54:16
Reichart I live on it.............I can see my events, my messages, etc. 11 May
10:54:29
Rebolinth I just like to know it the concept fits.. 11 May
10:54:36
Reichart Know if my team has a problem, etc. 11 May
10:54:38
Rebolinth yes that sounds great... 11 May
10:55:08
Reichart Pretty funny when that door closes! 11 May
10:55:15
Rebolinth no documents yet on qtask mobile? 11 May
10:55:37
Brock would make a good sound-clip 11 May
10:55:39
Rebolinth i like to pass that to marketing if it fits our concepts.. 11 May
10:55:56
Pekr Reichart - any docs on Quilt? 11 May
10:56:34
Reichart My fav feature is our scratchpad. You log in on your cell hone, and can simply type what ever you want, hit send, and it appends it to your scratchpad, so now it is on your computer. and if you put something on your computer (browser), and likewise, something you add to the web is instantly on your cell phone. 11 May
10:56:38
Rebolinth Do you sell Qtask to Operators? 11 May
10:57:22
Reichart Petr, yes, in the SDK, but primitive right now, in about 2 weeks we start teh big Doc push, and will be hiring a full time WRANGLER to handle developers and the docs. 11 May
10:57:36
Reichart Norman, yes....that is our enterprise model. 11 May
10:57:48
Rebolinth Im just wondering how qtask/Quilt can be used in the MMS / sms etc.. range.. (we build those services and are leader nr 1 ;-) 11 May
10:58:03
Terry Carl.. the walls have ears 11 May
10:58:07
Reichart You can run it on your servers. Control everything, even brand it as your own. Remove the nsame Qtask, etc. 11 May
10:58:09
Reichart We are currently building SMS interfaces, ie. Calendar in/out messeging. Type "meet Norman 7p" on phone and instantly it appears on your calendar both on call but also on computer (browsers). 11 May
10:59:13
Reichart Gab has already written the parser (works very nicely, just like Google's). 11 May
10:59:42
PhilB can someone indicate when we are back from the break .... 11 May
10:59:59
Volker where is it interesting in qtask? all my chats are silent. 11 May
11:00:02
Reichart (I'm typing on a very small keyboard, excuse all the typos) 11 May
11:00:07
Rebolinth Reichart.. i like to pass documentation to our product/mareketing department.. where can i get it? 11 May
11:00:27
Rebolinth do you have a global introduction sheet for compagny's ? 11 May
11:00:53
Reichart Volker LOL, yes, in the projects you are part of, it would be quite right now. Most is happening in a project that only has a few people in it right now, including Carl, Ashley, etc. The SDK is where al the talk wil be happening soon. 11 May
11:01:13
Rebolinth <perhpas other chat group> 11 May
11:01:16
Will enfin.. Dock is there 8-)) 11 May
11:02:18
Reichart Norman, our new website (as opposed to our web service) will be up with docs in about 2 weeks...it will speak to our architecture, Mobile, API, etc. We have hired several more people recenty who are working on this. 11 May
11:02:22
Reichart WE also just hired another DB guy just to handle the MySQL, he has 20+ years in DB design and implmentation. 11 May
11:02:45
Rebolinth thanks.. Ill contact you via altme on this soon.. 11 May
11:03:13
Reichart Sure am glad Carl is wearing blue on green, and not grreen on green...he sort of looked like a wood nymph yesterday.... : ) 11 May
11:03:15
Pekr how many ppl working on Qtask? 11 May
11:03:28
Reichart About 50+ people world wide now. 11 May
11:03:45
Reichart Carl starts talking and the feed stopped! 11 May
11:03:54
Robert As I missed yesterdays talk: Who is behind Safeworlds? 11 May
11:04:02
Reichart BAck again. 11 May
11:04:05
Will remind me of Steve Jobs and his Keynote.app but Carl'one is 10kb ! 11 May
11:05:08
Graham are these being posted to utube still? 11 May
11:05:14
Pekr I fear there is no deeper organisation and in the fact noone is recording ... 11 May
11:05:43
Reichart SW = a sub team of us. 11 May
11:05:57
Robert who is us? 11 May
11:06:11
Reichart An overlap of people from Prolfic, Qtask, and RT. 11 May
11:06:48
Reichart Of note, we just incorporated Qtask, Inc. and it will be separated from Prolific and stand alone as its own company. Another successful Prolific incubation, which includes several major Slot machine brands, the worlds best selling screen savers, and on going work for the DoD (in America).

Qtask, Inc. has appointed its CEO, CFO, CTO, etc. which will be released in the next month.
11 May
11:09:36
Pekr and what is the relation to SafeWorlds? Is that a separate company too? 11 May
11:11:13
Reichart Yes, also seperate. 11 May
11:11:42
Volker For some synergy: Distributed screensaving slotmachines? :D 11 May
11:13:25
Reichart you mean distributed screensaving slotmachines for military.... : ) 11 May
11:14:03
Reichart It is the weapon of the future. 11 May
11:14:16
Volker Yes, they have to wait a loot betwen battles ;) 11 May
11:14:21
Rebolinth can we zoom the cam om the wall ? 11 May
11:14:29
Volker And when the enemy really manages to invade he is busy. 11 May
11:14:43
Rebolinth aaa we are missing all the nice diagrams... 11 May
11:16:31
Rebolinth please? do [ zoom cam to beam ] 11 May
11:16:43
Gabriele it won't focus 11 May
11:17:05
Reichart It must be confusing to people tjat never programmed on the Amiga when we make all these refs to the Amiga. Damn the Amiga was well designed. 11 May
11:17:10
Gabriele just wait for when the slides will be online 11 May
11:17:15
Volker Is.. 11 May
11:17:23
Rebolinth k 11 May
11:17:26
Pekr back - what is the topic now? 11 May
11:18:20
Gabriele devices right now 11 May
11:18:33
Pekr environments session? 11 May
11:18:52
Gabriele carl showed some C code... examples of how to interface to the rebol library 11 May
11:19:05
Gabriele yep 11 May
11:19:07
Rebolinth top secret! ;-) 11 May
11:19:22
Volker And we have to wait a lot weeks totouch it.. :( 11 May
11:19:33
Pekr ah, will he cover rebol's library interface improvements? Are there any at all? ;-) 11 May
11:19:44
Rebolinth yes..little more 11 May
11:20:06
Gabriele probably not at this point 11 May
11:20:07
Gabriele it's all in the OS part so you can improve it yourself 11 May
11:20:32
Rebolinth very nice imlpant carl! 11 May
11:20:37
Gabriele C struct for device request 11 May
11:21:27
Pekr so still awfull callback support, chars, nested structs spec etc.? bleee :-) 11 May
11:21:30
Rebolinth callbacks is always a hard part.. 11 May
11:22:11
Gabriele i didn't say that. i said that's not going to be discussed now 11 May
11:22:15
Rebolinth none would be nice ;-) 11 May
11:22:20
Gabriele and... i said that you can make it the way you want if you don't like how it'llbe :) 11 May
11:22:40
Gabriele introduction to plugins now 11 May
11:22:56
Rebolinth aaa nice... 11 May
11:23:04
Pekr not sure. need to know more about plug-ins :-) 11 May
11:23:09
Gabriele loads dll / requestst plugin header / calls init function /loads any module code / resolves word symbol table / creates native functions / natives dispatched via dll table 11 May
11:25:19
Volker psst! 11 May
11:25:23
Sunanda plug-in (in this sense) is C-code thta plugs into REBOL.....A bit like writing your own natives. So makes REBOL highly extensible. 11 May
11:25:26
Gabriele will use rebin but rebin is still an issue 11 May
11:25:47
Gabriele so plugins are on hold right this moment 11 May
11:26:05
Pekr cool, is that done already, or to be done for 3.x? where x > 0? 11 May
11:26:17
Pekr ah ... 11 May
11:26:26
Volker Also open source part? 11 May
11:26:33
Rebolinth Q: can any language be linked as a plugin interface? 11 May
11:26:49
Gabriele plugins themeselves can be open/closed 11 May
11:26:52
Gabriele norman, they are a dll 11 May
11:27:01
Rebolinth C or C++ ? 11 May
11:27:22
Gabriele if you can make a dll, you are probably fine, but of course more details will be available later on 11 May
11:27:23
Gabriele C 11 May
11:27:32
Rebolinth C is more compiliant with library calls though.. 11 May
11:27:40
Gabriele no C++ in rebol except for AGG 11 May
11:27:41
Rebolinth A great ! 11 May
11:27:43
Rebolinth im happy.. 11 May
11:28:08
Rebolinth so plugins are OS indepentend as i understand... 11 May
11:29:24
Gabriele yes. devices are os dependent. 11 May
11:29:42
Pekr What about security model? we were expecting improvements for browser plug-in, but the same topic may concern rebol plug-ins - you can plug dll, which code you don't have under control? 11 May
11:30:02
Maxim plugins have to be compiled as a library on each OS dll, dso, etc. 11 May
11:30:09
Graham Is rebol3 going to be compatible with beer? 11 May
11:30:14
Rebolinth what is the core size of a minimal plugin ? 11 May
11:30:16
Pekr Rebolinth - I doubt plug-ins are OS independent ... 11 May
11:30:24
Terry Let the religious wars begin :) 11 May
11:30:40
Gabriele graham, i'm not sure i understand the question. will it run the current beer? no. can you port beer to it? yes. 11 May
11:31:19
Graham Not me :( 11 May
11:31:58
Anton Thankyou again Carl ! 11 May
11:32:35
Gabriele minimal plugin size: between 4-8k depending on your compiler 11 May
11:33:15
Graham has anyone made Carl drunk enough to reveal how to do server side SSL yet ?? 11 May
11:33:22
Rebolinth ..thanks.. 11 May
11:33:23
Graham dockimbel said he was going to try ... 11 May
11:33:32
Reichart Graham, for my side, I still plan to support beer, I get the framework, and see the advantages. We need our full API in place first. 11 May
11:33:37
Dockimbel ;-) 11 May
11:34:01
Pekr What about security model? we were expecting improvements for browser plug-in, but the same topic may concern rebol plug-ins - you can plug dll, which code you don't have under control? 11 May
11:34:06
Graham Don't know what Jaime is planning if anything 11 May
11:34:07
Gabriele Elixir now 11 May
11:34:16
Sunanda Maxim is setting up 11 May
11:34:37
Graham all in french 11 May
11:34:59
Reichart Do they actaully both speak FRench, or just wave hands at each other? 11 May
11:35:03
Reichart They seem to be able to just wave hands to communicate. 11 May
11:35:35
Graham sub vocalizing 11 May
11:35:49
Pekr hands dialect :-) 11 May
11:36:05
Graham communicating at sub sonic frequencies 11 May
11:36:05
Terry That presentation makes me think RT is still betting heavy on the desktop 11 May
11:36:14
Mario Reichart: hand communication is an Italian habit, not French! ;) 11 May
11:36:14
Graham any reporters going to write a summary of each session?? 11 May
11:36:51
Gabriele RT is betting heavy on REBOL, and REBOL can run everywhere. AltME 3 runs on the desktop (and i guess in other places too) 11 May
11:37:04
Reichart Yeah, but when FRench talk to Canadians.......they have to bridge 300 years.... 11 May
11:37:19
Gabriele graham, afaik videos are still planned to be relased after the devcon 11 May
11:37:33
Pekr Graham - we would be fine for Carl's promissed slides, but he probably wanted to make some changes, so we've got no slides so far ;-) 11 May
11:37:33
Graham Thanks .. bit hard to understand what's going on without notes 11 May
11:38:07
Pekr Gabriele - what do you mean by AltME runs on desktop? 11 May
11:38:08
Reichart Didier always me reminds me of this character: http://hemsidor.torget.se/users/b/boatman/pictures/zorg.jpg 11 May
11:38:33
Gabriele desktop in the sense terry used it 11 May
11:38:43
Gabriele Didier lol 11 May
11:40:12
Anton R.:) 11 May
11:40:20
Reichart That is why I like Didier, he is a bad guy.........like me. 11 May
11:41:55
Graham Why isn't the camera on the screen?? 11 May
11:42:34
Gabriele it can't focus the screen 11 May
11:42:50
Dockimbel Reichart: for me you are a clone of this Guy, a famous french comic guy named "Michael youn".
See by yourself : http://www.cbo-boxoffice.com/full/p12822.jpg
But anyway, never talk me again. I don't know of your existence anymore
> DideC
11 May
11:43:05
Graham no manual focusing system?? 11 May
11:43:09
Henrik graham, when it tries to focus, we lose audio on the stream :-) 11 May
11:43:27
Graham Can't we have dual video streams? 11 May
11:43:52
Graham guess not 11 May
11:44:02
Henrik graham, AFAIK the show is being recorded with another camera right next to this one 11 May
11:44:16
Dockimbel It's not Apple WWDC !! 11 May
11:44:34
Reichart Doc - Yeah, I do look like that. In fact a lot like that when I was very young. LOL 11 May
11:44:34
Henrik dockimbel, right. there's no room for a camera crane in there 11 May
11:45:58
Sunanda Maxim's slides are online:
http://www.pointillistic.com/open-REBOL/moa/steel/liquid/plug/plug-quickstart.html
11 May
11:46:00
Reichart Here is a pick of me at 16 http://brkvw.com/images/Photos/BRKVW-BeachwoodLolas.jpg Much like Youn... 11 May
11:47:09
Henrik btw. did anyone bring a camera to take pictures at the devcon? would make good press stuff. 11 May
11:49:25
Henrik maxim waving his hands around = eager REBOL developer 11 May
11:49:51
Reichart I tihnk the goal is to keep this all a secret..........shhhhhhhhhhhh! 11 May
11:50:17
Graham Wow, Max has three arms 11 May
11:50:56
Terry That must have been your Disco days Reichart 11 May
11:51:25
Dockimbel You looked like a famous singer duo in the eighties http://www.goudy.ca/carnet/images/D&;J.jpg 11 May
11:52:26
Will Liquid sounds good too! 11 May
11:53:53
Graham Who sings with a dog as a duet?? 11 May
11:54:07
Graham Ask Max is liquid is actually finished... 11 May
11:54:40
Volker Police usually. At least my dog thinks so^^ 11 May
11:55:10
Reichart It was a popular look back then LOL but I think I actually look a lot like this - Hank Scorpio

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/6140/homerundscorpio6ap.jpg
11 May
11:55:15
Reichart Liquid looks Awesome! 11 May
11:55:24
Graham Hmm. I think I've seen a pix of Volker with a dog ... 11 May
11:55:59
Gabriele graham: yes it is :) 11 May
11:56:04
Graham Was that competition to identify Rebolers a few years ago ? 11 May
11:56:19
Will now Reichart you have to hire Maxim and rebuild Qtask on top of it 11 May
11:56:26
Graham G: thanks 11 May
11:56:32
Graham MIT license 11 May
11:56:59
Dockimbel Reichart: I go to trouble now that Youn and you wear a barb! http://elveteran.mon-blog.org/images/24487/people/Youn.jpg 11 May
11:57:45
Sunanda Volker + dog photo: the first demo of packages on REBOL.org:
http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/view-package-file.r?file-name=image4.jpg&;script-name=lds-demo1-package.r
11 May
11:58:23
Terry Here's a current set of photos of our team http://redwerks.org/team 11 May
11:59:41
Reichart Youn looks a little like Ringo Star... 11 May
12:00:16
Reichart Maxim and I have talked...he is doing great with what he is doing, I would love to have him on our team if it could all work. 11 May
12:00:59
Reichart That Volker pic reminds me of ...................... http://www.angelpoet.com/autographs/1autographrobbiecoltrane.jpg 11 May
12:06:41
Reichart Time to point the camera at teh screen a littel. 11 May
12:07:47
Terry Perhaps Carl can enlighten us on R3 licensing while were on the subject ? 11 May
12:08:14
Reichart The quality of the feed from France is very nice. 11 May
12:08:21
Sunanda sadly camera man not on altme so cannot respond to requests. 11 May
12:08:43
Graham guess it's not dial up 11 May
12:08:46
Reichart But can non-cam man walk over to cam and jump past the Union? : ) 11 May
12:10:22
Graham doesn't speak English?? 11 May
12:11:12
Gabriele camera man says it won't focus 11 May
12:11:46
Terry hehe.. some expressions are universal :) 11 May
12:12:05
Pekr Should I post mine photo too? Well, I could, I just realised this channel is web-public and oficially linked to DevCon site ;-) 11 May
12:12:23
Terry no.. shut up.. same everywhere :) 11 May
12:12:24
Graham idiot proof technology :( 11 May
12:12:26
Graham no manual override 11 May
12:12:46
Pekr Graham - maybe you have to download some firmware update for the cam first to resolve the buggy software :-) 11 May
12:13:25
Graham How about Max stand next to the screen ... and the camera can focus on Max and capture the screen as well?? 11 May
12:13:53
Graham Or, Sunanda can stand next to screen to act as a focus ?? 11 May
12:14:21
Gabriele lol 11 May
12:14:38
Graham I guess you can't focus a camera on Glass 11 May
12:15:11
Reichart Yah, the rule is simple for the Cam, less than 50% of the area needs to be the projecfed image, it should then stay in focus when somoene is standing in front of it. 11 May
12:15:24
Gabriele it's Elixir :) 11 May
12:15:34
Brock doh, it was working great!! 11 May
12:15:34
Graham someone tell them!!! 11 May
12:16:06
Graham Max's left hand isn't doing much ... use it as a focal point 11 May
12:16:53
Brock are you watching the same video as I am?? 11 May
12:17:19
Graham gesticulation doesn't count .. he's using the mouse with his right hand 11 May
12:17:40
Graham awww..... 11 May
12:18:44
Graham agg gadgets we can't see :( 11 May
12:18:54
Rebolinth ..back..elixer? 11 May
12:18:59
Graham Even Carl doesn't know what Max is talking about 11 May
12:19:24
Gabriele yep 11 May
12:19:30
Reichart LOL 11 May
12:19:36
Gabriele yep was to rebolinth ;) 11 May
12:19:57
Reichart It is a diff way of thinking than View. 11 May
12:19:58
Rebolinth do [ move room -90 ] 11 May
12:20:41
Rebolinth thanks !.. 11 May
12:20:52
Gabriele ok, off to lunch 11 May
12:20:52
Graham applause 11 May
12:20:57
Will BIG CLAP CLAP 11 May
12:20:59
Gabriele see you.... later :) 11 May
12:21:06
Rebolinth Now some Rebol-Soup ! 11 May
12:21:22
Will Bon Appetit! et pas trop de vin.. 11 May
12:21:27
Anton set-stainless node ; == do it now 11 May
12:21:45
Graham is that a halo around carl ? 11 May
12:21:47
Rebolinth there is a halo in the whole room ;-) 11 May
12:22:11
Volker Now. H elistens to you :) 11 May
12:22:14
Anton sorry I meant "plug" 11 May
12:22:14
Graham Can someone try and get the camera to work in the lunch break guys??? 11 May
12:22:28
Rebolinth please move it to the wall 11 May
12:22:41
Graham It can't be so frigging difficult 11 May
12:22:48
Rebolinth well? its a frensh wall afterall.. 11 May
12:23:08
Graham France is a nuclear power 11 May
12:23:11
Henrik graham, it was nearly the same yesterday. we can only hope the recordings are going to be better 11 May
12:23:16
Terry ok.. 3:30 am .. cya 11 May
12:23:45
Graham if it was like that yesterday, they had 24 hours to work on the problem :( 11 May
12:24:02
Reichart At least point the cam towards teh door, so we can see each explosion, er , I mean person come and go. 11 May
12:24:11
Henrik Graham, the camera guy does not speak english and is not online on AltME. I don't even know whether he is communicating with the rest of the team :-) 11 May
12:24:51
Graham do those guys know their conspiracy is being broadcast ? 11 May
12:24:57
Graham Ok, next year in Maui 11 May
12:25:24
Rebolinth another handgranate,,, 11 May
12:25:47
Graham great .. now we get to see the sun pass over ! :) 11 May
12:26:05
Reichart In Maui we will have full video recording and broadcasting. Maui has one of the most powerful computers and research centers in the world! 11 May
12:26:07
Graham I bags a room at Reichart's house! 11 May
12:26:27
Reichart http://www.mhpcc.edu/ 11 May
12:26:29
Rebolinth sound like a place the secret service hides out... 11 May
12:26:55
Henrik all of these problems with Skype and such are giving me ideas on video, audio and text feeds that can be redirected and piped on the fly to servers that transmit with very specific needs. off the shelf components seem to fall short here. 11 May
12:27:14
Reichart http://www.mhpcc.hpc.mil/ 11 May
12:27:16
Rebolinth Oke they are gone !! shall we now move that cam ourselfs? 11 May
12:27:25
Reichart We are not hiding... 11 May
12:27:25
Graham I could ask Weta Studios if we could use their studios 11 May
12:27:39
Henrik Rebolinth: or where Mr. Incredible goes to face the villain with the wild hair (forgot his name) 11 May
12:28:03
Rebolinth is that SP complex for real? ;-) 11 May
12:28:13
Graham I should get one of those remote IP cameras with pan and zoom 11 May
12:28:40
Rebolinth wow nice IBM z/os park ;-) 11 May
12:28:42
Graham Linksys do one 11 May
12:28:49
Graham and audio 11 May
12:28:57
Reichart The center is home to some of the country's major high performance computing resources. The new IBM "huinalu" cluster was unveiled in February as the most powerful Linux Supercluster in the world. Overall, the center is ranked in the top 20 supercomputing sites in the world and is the second most powerful supercomputer center in the Department of Defense. 11 May
12:29:06
Graham well, I guess it would be off limits 11 May
12:29:43
Graham I no longer have my security clearance 11 May
12:29:56
Rebolinth I have seen a lot of server parks but none of them where so blue as this one ;-) great! 11 May
12:30:03
Reichart We can have our meetings at the research center.

Morning - go surfing
Mid morning - Conference
Lunch
more conference
Afternoon - high winds so we go wind surfing
Evening - more conference
Night - dinner.
11 May
12:30:27
Henrik I can't swim 11 May
12:30:52
Reichart We are planning to move Qtask to some of these systems in teh next year or so. 11 May
12:30:59
Reichart Henrik, most of the beaches are only 1-2 meers deep. 11 May
12:31:13
Reichart meters 11 May
12:31:21
Graham no stingrays? 11 May
12:31:31
Reichart http://www.visitmaui.com/beaches.html 11 May
12:31:52
Reichart No stingrays 11 May
12:31:55
Henrik Reichart, I guess I'm not much of a water person :-) Last time I was at the beach was +10 years ago. 11 May
12:32:14
Graham what is there to do if you believe water is only for drinking? 11 May
12:32:16
Rebolinth Ill try and encourage my employer to let me remote-work from maui.. 11 May
12:32:26
Rebolinth man what an island... 11 May
12:32:42
Reichart Graham, 60% of people in Hawaii look (and act) like you, you will love it here! 11 May
12:33:02
Graham You've never seen me! 11 May
12:33:25
Robert Windsurfing... yeah, would be great. I hope you have strong winds. My sinker now needs 10 to get me out of the water :-) 11 May
12:33:26
Reichart These are your people. Most people don't go in the ocean...they hike, fish, etc. 11 May
12:33:33
Graham Ok, you've met my brother ... 11 May
12:34:00
Reichart 15-30 knott winds in the afternoon offf the beach. You can water start (walk with your board and just launch out into the ocean) 11 May
12:34:09
Reichart Right...............I have met your brother. 11 May
12:34:22
Graham He's the one who likes like 60% of Hawaiians 11 May
12:34:50
Rebolinth ...we have lots of water here too..it only poors out of the air instead.. ;-) 11 May
12:34:56
Graham looks 11 May
12:34:57
Reichart In that link I posted, Baldwin beach is walking distance from my place. 11 May
12:35:21
Reichart http://www.visitmaui.com/Baldwin.jpg 11 May
12:35:31
Graham oh .. watch out for global warming 11 May
12:35:44
Graham beach front properties ... might get swamped 11 May
12:35:59
Reichart Telling you guys, if you are going to take time, and spend money on travel, MAUI is the place to have the conference. 11 May
12:36:04
Henrik what about occasional hurricanes? 11 May
12:36:36
Reichart So rare not worth talking about. 11 May
12:36:51
Graham I've been to Maui before 11 May
12:37:23
Reichart I also own this boat : http://www.igu.ro/latrecut/wp-content/uploads/2006/03/baywatch_3634732.jpg 11 May
12:37:38
Reichart (long story.............) but we can do speed boat rides. 11 May
12:37:49
Reichart (No I don't know or want to know the people in the boat). 11 May
12:38:05
Graham Got a statue of Kamehameha-I on my mantel peice 11 May
12:38:13
Rebolinth hee i fin no no Qtask/Quilt group in Altme? 11 May
12:38:16
Reichart There is a !Qtask group 11 May
12:38:37
Rebolinth !QM is the only Q i see actualy.. 11 May
12:39:08
Graham Hmm. Created with Lava. 11 May
12:39:09
Graham Wasn't that the protoname for Rebol ?? 11 May
12:39:23
Reichart Just the original name consideration. 11 May
12:39:39
Graham If so, how fitting to return to Maui :) 11 May
12:39:43
Reichart Carl loves Hawaii, just ask him. 11 May
12:40:17
Rebolinth ...Heee they are clearing the room out... 11 May
12:42:21
Rebolinth ..kidding... 11 May
12:42:31
Graham someone slip in and focus the camera for them 11 May
12:42:58
Rebolinth I could drive to paris... 5 hours from here.. 11 May
12:43:13
Graham Go Norman 11 May
12:43:25
Will look, Carl is on top of the Tour.. http://paris.arounder.com/tour_eiffel/ 11 May
12:43:31
Rebolinth I think ill just be able to unplug the cam at that point ;-) 11 May
12:43:48
Pekr Hawai ... I wonder how expensive is there a stay? Reichart - could you tell us? E.g. one room - at least average price? 11 May
12:44:28
Rebolinth reichart: help-[at]-qtask.com is the right way to get more info on qtask/Quilt ? 11 May
12:44:53
Rebolinth Im seeking promotional matter for our marketing/product people.. 11 May
12:45:12
Reichart I know a lot of people with B&Bs so I think it will be cheaper than paris. As in less than $100 per night. 11 May
12:45:13
Graham Pekr, Reichart has a mansion ... 11 May
12:45:21
Reichart I might be able to get it to $60 or so. 11 May
12:45:21
Graham and a beachfront .. can sleep on the beach! 11 May
12:45:33
Reichart It is actually mostly illigal to sleep on the beach in Maui. 11 May
12:45:50
Graham Huh? No native rights? 11 May
12:46:05
Pekr Because - I was never in US. And going to Hawai sounds like going for vacation ... where, accidentally, is Rebol conference too :-) 11 May
12:46:44
Reichart I don't think even Natives can sleep on the beach, but I could be wrong about that... 11 May
12:46:45
Reichart They do have some rights, but mostly in the "they can have some land for free as long as they don't sell it" sort of way. 11 May
12:47:18
Graham So, you can sleep on the beach during the day, just not during the night? 11 May
12:48:01
Reichart I have to call it a night, I have only slept 2 hours in the past 48, and have a bunch of meetings in the next 16 hours. 11 May
12:48:17
Graham Which is okay for night workers. 11 May
12:48:24
Reichart Correct,beaches have diff rules at night (after sunset), also there are strong rules about people under 18. They have to have an adult, etc. 11 May
12:48:51
Graham Ah... Paradise lost 11 May
12:49:14
Reichart Maui is very conservative, so after 6:00, most things close, bars close around 10:00. 11 May
12:49:16
Reichart Maui is a morning place, not a night place. 11 May
12:49:27
Graham What would Milton say ... 11 May
12:49:37
Reichart Paradise was lost when the Christians planted African thorn trees on the beaches of maui to stop the natives from walking around barefoot.................but that is for a diff group : ) 11 May
12:50:00
Reichart G'night mate... 11 May
12:50:09
Graham Night 11 May
12:51:12
Graham The Scots just brought gorse to NZ to remind them of home 11 May
12:51:59
Rebolinth stream is gone in sleep mode? 11 May
13:00:47
Rebolinth ..its back.. 11 May
13:01:24
Rebolinth we can track the eating rebollers in paris via spy cams..... http://www.parijs.nl/id/469 11 May
13:12:37
Anton Will need a lot of "enhancement" to see them in those webcams :) 11 May
13:27:29
Pekr Does someone here understand the relation between Altme 3 = View + IOS + AltME? :-) 11 May
13:31:41
Rebolinth perhpas its the flexibility of functionality 11 May
13:32:40
Robert No, IMO it's a product consolidation step. Whereas I don't know what /View has to do with this. 11 May
13:36:50
Robert Merging AltME & IOS concepts into one product is OK. 11 May
13:37:06
Pekr in the case of AltME IOS merge, I would like to know what is the business model ;-) 11 May
13:39:44
Pekr I think that kind of IOS product could serve as an app distribution framework, and as such, should be free, whereas apps (reblets) could be free or commercial ... 11 May
13:40:33
Rebolinth do they have trouble confinsing the french taxi driver to stop driver around the eiffel tower? 11 May
14:09:32
Pekr we are nearly one hour off, and Carl's session about Modules was not even presented. Will DevCon continue tomorrow? :-) 11 May
14:13:08
Will welcome back, wine was good I can hear it! 11 May
14:18:18
Mario Sometimes a hit to the door was heard: did they drink too much wine to unlock the door, earlier? 11 May
14:19:00
Rebolinth do event [ cam ] [ pick move -90 ] 11 May
14:20:15
Rebolinth i think we need a robotic-cam next year.. 11 May
14:21:45
Mario We will fight remotely to cammand it 11 May
14:22:08
Mario command 11 May
14:22:14
Will panoramic cam with everyone choosing his view angle 11 May
14:23:49
PhilB Is Carl speaking next? 11 May
14:24:12
Rebolinth hes bussy paying the taxi driver i think... 11 May
14:24:38
Rebolinth Qui cést bon! 11 May
14:24:57
Rebolinth Un peut Zoom 11 May
14:25:14
Rebolinth plus 11 May
14:25:17
btiffin That one pan angle... :) 11 May
14:27:05
Rebolinth non!..qui ! la 11 May
14:27:23
Sunanda Max restarting now -- more on Elixir 11 May
14:28:51
Gabriele elixir is over 11 May
14:50:44
btiffin Well Done Maxim; 11 May
14:51:07
Sunanda Nice, Max! 11 May
14:51:21
btiffin It's a deep tool. 11 May
14:51:47
Pekr Now Modules? 11 May
14:52:23
Sunanda Now Ron Everett -- Associative Systems 11 May
14:52:48
Gabriele associative data models 11 May
14:52:53
Pekr ah, interesting ... 11 May
14:53:05
Henrik perhaps it's like my Relations Engine, just done by someone who knows what he's talking about :-) 11 May
15:00:18
Maxim btw, sorry for the rushy session we are missing time. 11 May
15:00:29
Maxim its MUCH more ;-) beleive me ;-) 11 May
15:00:41
Volker (i recognise my spoken english is much to bad to follow this. hope there comes something written/recorded (if recorded i can try it a few times^^) 11 May
15:01:31
Pekr Max - I think henrik was talking about associative session :-) 11 May
15:01:48
Sunanda His first slide said Relavance Technology.
That seems to be this:
http://www.associativesolutions.com/relavance.php
11 May
15:01:58
Rebolinth thanks.. 11 May
15:02:14
Rebolinth why are we always getting back to xml when w have blocks and lists ;-) funny... 11 May
15:03:31
Maxim yes, me to:-) 11 May
15:03:38
Maxim (pekr) 11 May
15:03:47
Robert Because it's so nicely messed up. 11 May
15:03:57
Sunanda sadly, xml is the csv of the web :-) 11 May
15:04:09
Robert csv = complex structured values 11 May
15:04:27
Dockimbel Pekr: schedule has changed due to ...hem, you know, pb with Skype session and so on.
Carl said us at the beginning that he coul addadpt his speach to the needs. Making 2, 3 or more sessions, grouping things...
So modules where introduced this morning, but We will not have time to make a session on it.
Hope he will pubhished his slide on it anyway
11 May
15:04:44
Robert Hey Ron, don't talk so much. Show us the system... 11 May
15:04:58
Dockimbel it comes 11 May
15:05:14
Sunanda comma separated values: dumb data for interchange between systems 11 May
15:05:27
Rebolinth I like to see more of the sheets from Ron... goes pritty deep..nice... 11 May
15:05:59
Maxim sunanda, specifically, that site is not the relavance site. maybe, its a local reseller of the technology. 11 May
15:06:03
btiffin Except xml still can't pass "nulls" without SOAP or some such...sad 11 May
15:06:10
Maxim relavance is canadian technology. 11 May
15:06:19
Sunanda sorry, max! 11 May
15:06:23
Robert It's just using a graph-based approach. Good idea, and really better. no query necessary just traverse the graph. 11 May
15:07:01
Rebolinth wow they relay digged it all out... nice.. 11 May
15:07:01
Maxim they actually have no website AFAIK. 11 May
15:07:05
Robert www.e4graph.com 11 May
15:07:14
Robert Adding database accessors at the leafs... well. Not so new up to now. 11 May
15:08:12
Rebolinth integrating with rebol though is a nice close fit based on linquistics.. 11 May
15:08:56
Maxim robert you are not getting it... there is no tables or accessors. 11 May
15:09:38
Robert Do they have graph-layout included? 11 May
15:09:43
Henrik it sounds very much like my RE, except my RE does not have that ability to move around freely in the structure, and you have to cross relate manually. no "traversing" back and forth. you can't start in the "middle" of the tree. 11 May
15:10:53
Maxim not sure, but they work at a much higher level, they can aggregate contexts and relationship set based on multi-dimensional. 11 May
15:11:11
Maxim henrik, nope, the concept of contexts is paramount. you are working in one dimension, relavance has n dimensions. 11 May
15:11:42
Rebolinth pfiew... 11 May
15:12:42
Rebolinth Ron did his home work ... 11 May
15:12:55
Pekr What is that good for practically? Is there any commercial app using that aproach? Or is that only academic thingy? :-) 11 May
15:13:04
Maxim 14 years of development. 11 May
15:13:07
Rebolinth what...! 11 May
15:13:14
Rebolinth great! 11 May
15:13:17
Robert n Dimension = n entry / output edges 11 May
15:13:44
Maxim didn't you hear him ... he talked about that "small gang" at DARPA with 11 May
15:13:54
Maxim no, its n sets of edges. 11 May
15:14:07
Maxim input/output is one dimension. its a relationship of dependency. 11 May
15:14:43
Robert Well, than you have clustered your edges to a grouping node... 11 May
15:14:43
Maxim actually its "requirement" 11 May
15:14:51
Maxim free your mind of a graph... each node as multiple sets of edges. 11 May
15:15:38
Maxim and you can operate based on what those sets mean to each other. 11 May
15:15:56
Maxim (something like that) 11 May
15:16:09
Rebolinth haha..he's funny.. 11 May
15:17:51
Henrik well, I guess 14 years beats my 2-3 weeks of development 11 May
15:17:58
Maxim lol 11 May
15:18:16
Rebolinth Where is this actualy used this is complex... 11 May
15:18:32
Maxim its actually VERY simple... just like REBOL. its so simple it makes your head hurt in the begining. 11 May
15:19:34
Gabriele here petr, apps 11 May
15:21:17
Rebolinth Mmmmm so a live-backup of this should be a pace of cake related to the flexibilty... 11 May
15:21:26
Pekr What relation does it have to Rebol? Is he using Rebol anywhere? 11 May
15:22:19
Maxim are you seeing how complex the problems he is mapping? trying to map this into databases, means queries which scrub piles of data, in relavance, there no "scrubing" 11 May
15:22:26
Maxim if you define enough relations and contexts, you have access to all data immediately. 11 May
15:22:51
Rebolinth fantastic ! 11 May
15:22:52
Dockimbel No yet, the idea is to try to see how Revalance and REBOL can fit together 11 May
15:23:19
Maxim and it can index 128 bits of things. 11 May
15:23:30
Pekr This guy comes from other planet .... (of data relation knowledge :-) 11 May
15:23:54
Anton "shelter" - if he does not talk about it, I would ask him about security. Separate traditional databases implies a certain amount of security, by isolation. A single database with "everything your organisation knows" in it must have lines of control. I suppose the security controls is just a concept which is associated like anything else... but would like to know his explanation. 11 May
15:24:02
Gabriele petr, do you remember Carl's blog about this tech? 11 May
15:24:04
Rebolinth he's good.. 11 May
15:24:06
Maxim his query language is almost directly loadable by rebol... ! 11 May
15:24:09
Pekr I wonder if he knows Sentences :-) 11 May
15:24:15
Pekr Gabriele - no .... 11 May
15:24:25
Dockimbel in fact, 128bits means 128 dimension (if i understood correctly) 11 May
15:24:35
Maxim you should see Carl and Ron talk... it gets brain splits. 11 May
15:24:43
Rebolinth ahhahaha 11 May
15:24:57
Anton No, 4 x 32bits = 4 dimensions, I think. 11 May
15:25:08
Pekr Well, they should form some venture and use the thing for some Artificial Intelligence things. You remember Carl studies brain and how it behaves (neurons) :-) 11 May
15:25:43
Rebolinth man this is so well thought thru ist actualy bridging the problem to simplicity... 11 May
15:25:46
Maxim they get into defining how quantum mechanics, fit into rebol and relavance... so they both are complementary :-D 11 May
15:25:48
Anton each dimension has 32bit range of possible unique items. (the length of the dimension) 11 May
15:25:52
Maxim not quite, that is the physical structure dimension. 11 May
15:26:38
Maxim the actual number of nodes which can be identified. 11 May
15:26:57
Rebolinth hahaha 11 May
15:27:17
Maxim each levels can map to a specific type of hw/sw structure. 11 May
15:27:18
Pekr We should use something like that for next-gen Virtual OS :-) To distribute and relate our apps :-) 11 May
15:27:39
Rebolinth Rebol/Vista 11 May
15:27:49
Maxim so that you can easily (and quickly) know if a node is local or on the other side of the earth 11 May
15:28:05
Maxim see him briging the gaps !!! ;-) 11 May
15:28:32
Rebolinth bad connectin suddenly 11 May
15:28:46
Maxim rather:

REBOL/Universe
11 May
15:28:47
Maxim we can do or no ANYthing! ;-) 11 May
15:29:08
Maxim no=know 11 May
15:29:19
Rebolinth NOOOO 11 May
15:29:28
Rebolinth not xml 11 May
15:29:32
btiffin He is talking very real-world fail cases now...but they will continue failing... 11 May
15:29:37
Pekr Imagine companie's Document management system, based upon that. Or CRM. You query company, and get linked all relevant emails, scanned faxes, documents as invoices, orders, whatever, cross linked ... 11 May
15:30:25
Maxim exactly 11 May
15:32:20
Rebolinth link quality is dropping here.. 11 May
15:32:37
Gabriele developer-[at]-relavance.com 11 May
15:34:48
Maxim this tool is pretty insane. 11 May
15:36:22
Maxim notice its name: "Thought" 11 May
15:36:32
Rebolinth I have the idea that the concept of flexibility is exposed here to its unlimits ... ;-) 11 May
15:36:54
Maxim exactly... there is no design phase... the analysis is simply implemented. 11 May
15:37:26
Rebolinth would be nice to drag and drop my brain in that application and let is parse into contexts automaticly.. 11 May
15:40:37
Pekr :-)) 11 May
15:41:26
Sunanda Implementing the analysis is only possible if the response times meet the business needs. If not, you need a faster layer. 11 May
15:41:37
Gabriele sorry, email is developers-[at]-relavance.com (missed the s) 11 May
15:41:41
Gabriele and website is http://www.relavance.com/ 11 May
15:41:50
Rebolinth Its close to AI... 11 May
15:42:28
Maxim oh, that is new!!! 11 May
15:42:28
Pekr Max - geeting some ideas to be put into Elixir? :-) 11 May
15:43:58
Maxim hi, you want to propose or are asking? 11 May
15:44:29
Pekr asking :-) 11 May
15:44:49
Pekr I mean - after seeing Don's presentation .... 11 May
15:45:18
Maxim hehe, well Ron is 15km from work ;-) 11 May
15:45:51
Maxim so, I am priviledged :-) 11 May
15:46:09
Maxim carl also seems to like liquid :-D and liked liquidGL a lot... 11 May
15:46:35
Maxim so there might be a way to get relavance and RT as the engine, and elixir as the desktop :-) 11 May
15:47:23
Rebolinth liquidGL.. I need to roam more rebol sites.. 11 May
15:47:26
Maxim it would allow millions of nodes 11 May
15:47:46
Maxim his system is not specifically meant for dataflow "processing" but can be used to support its specification, so we could actually store the data into relavance, I guess. 11 May
15:48:44
Rebolinth i need more sugar... 11 May
15:49:27
Maxim BTW, my demo was supposed to include a networked node system, but a snag in my hasty implimentation kept me from finishing in time for the devcon. 11 May
15:50:05
Maxim this allows us to send the node data inbetween two sessions of elixir . 11 May
15:50:35
Gabriele you see, graham is right, you never finish anything. 11 May
15:51:03
Gabriele :P 11 May
15:51:09
Maxim hehe 11 May
15:51:17
Rebolinth Mmmmm beem me up scotty..... oke and now my clothes.... 11 May
15:51:24
Maxim well who said I was done ;-) 11 May
15:51:31
Maxim whould be done by next week, I guess I'll keep it for the actual file release. 11 May
15:52:06
Maxim 500 million items "Starts" to slow down 11 May
15:53:09
Maxim (relavance that is!) 11 May
15:53:25
Henrik that's acceptable 11 May
15:53:30
Rebolinth :) 11 May
15:53:42
Maxim note that if we where to equate that to cell count we can easily multiply by 10, maybe much more. 11 May
15:54:05
Rebolinth how do you fit 500 Million in a Graphical presentaion ? 11 May
15:54:20
Maxim you filter out what you are working on. 11 May
15:54:38
Rebolinth well as a overall display its still 1 million... 11 May
15:55:06
Rebolinth 1 dot per inch.. 11 May
15:55:23
PhilB Who is on next? 11 May
15:56:22
Christian could anyone take a high-res photo of the screen? 11 May
15:56:24
Anton Q: How many companies or organisations have implemented an associative database up til now ? 11 May
15:56:55
Christian that'd be great, as it's very hard to recognize anything (apart from random windows) on the stream ... 11 May
15:57:04
Rebolinth Q: how quick is searching in the database... 11 May
15:57:34
Anton Christian, I had a good look at their website when it was mentioned first here in rebol-land. I am pretty sure you can find the whole presentation there. 11 May
15:57:52
Maxim there is no searching. 11 May
15:57:53
Rebolinth but in a structure of 1 million how do i get from a -> z quickly ? 11 May
15:58:30
Maxim everything is indexed on entry. 11 May
15:59:21
Maxim every single item (cell) 11 May
15:59:31
Anton They said the system requires modern CPUs because it takes more number crunching. (from memory about an order of magnitude more than relational databases.) 11 May
15:59:38
Maxim notice he sais "Find" not "Search" 11 May
15:59:51
Rebolinth oke thanks.. 11 May
15:59:59
Robert That's it. As always: Speed or Space. 11 May
16:00:05
Maxim one reason is that they kick out VM. 11 May
16:01:13
Maxim relavance does not use one single byte in VM, so its ram never gets paged to disk. 11 May
16:01:36
Maxim so you actually need more ram because of that... but actually, the nodes are all on disk. 11 May
16:02:03
Maxim so you can read and trash all nodes, at disk speed, so its very efficient actually. 11 May
16:02:34
Christian anton, you mean relavance.com? can't find much there in terms of technical information ... 11 May
16:03:06
Anton Can't be corrupted. I've got some ways that will help. But I guess he means the core system is very simple, small, and used very frequently, therefore hard to introduce bugs into. 11 May
16:03:42
Anton Christian, I would follow the original blog article link, maybe. 11 May
16:04:23
Maxim IIRC they have different disk access methods, but have their own File system which kicks out the os, so that they can properly implement the DMA. also note that their memory model has no memory fragmentation the available ram and disk space is always contiguous!! 11 May
16:05:38
Anton I remember reading a fair bit of material similar to maybe the first third what we're seeing now. 11 May
16:05:40
Maxim so its not just the concepts which are interesting, its the actual implementation to. 11 May
16:06:01
Maxim hw wise you cannot corrupt it, but obviously, if your application trashses connections... you can bugger up the db! 11 May
16:06:54
Pekr ah, my message did not get it thru :-) Is Carl's Concluding remarks following? Maybe a time for final questions? 11 May
16:08:40
Rebolinth Just out of curriosity, is there any existing relation to Intelligent (AI) software, 3th party software, with this concept? 11 May
16:10:57
Rebolinth self-solving context modules.. 11 May
16:14:35
Anton thanks Gabriele. Just what I thought. 11 May
16:14:39
Gabriele A: to anton: very few organizations have implemented an AD up to now. Departement of Defense,, and also Health Care in Canada 11 May
16:14:43
Gabriele :) 11 May
16:15:01
Maxim Resistance to change. just like REBOL. 11 May
16:15:09
btiffin Hey, I worked at both those departments...way back. 11 May
16:15:17
btiffin Well, the US DoD work was thru NDHQ... 11 May
16:15:56
Christian it sounds mighty interesting, but given the depth of information (or lack thereof) on their web site it doesn't surprise me that the hordes aren't storming in ... 11 May
16:16:40
Anton Q: (not so important) How long ago did the DoD implement an Associative Database ? 11 May
16:17:01
Brock [NDHQ being Canada's equivalent of US - DoD] 11 May
16:17:14
Maxim he was speaking of american DoD 11 May
16:17:46
Anton It's too abstract for most people. 11 May
16:18:08
Brock my reference was to btiffin's statement of his work with DoD was through Canada's equivalent. 11 May
16:18:42
btiffin Back then, Ada was the choice of lingo for the DoD, another, umm, high level fail case 11 May
16:18:48
Christian I doubt that, there's just not enough information for people to evaluate whether it _could_ be interesting for them. 11 May
16:19:25
Pekr let's keep it in sane levels .... using rebol :-) 11 May
16:19:33
btiffin Agreed...simple is far safer for avoiding fail cases 11 May
16:20:04
Maxim his gui is a bit un intuitive, I had a private demo a few weeks ago and it a while before it feeling "obvious" to me. 11 May
16:20:09
Christian ... and web research is hampered by the fact that "relavance" is a common misspelling ;-) 11 May
16:20:55
Rebolinth ooo wow what nice drawings he has... realy great.. 11 May
16:20:59
Maxim and BTW thought is just One application... its not The application. 11 May
16:20:59
Sunanda 5 min break now 11 May
16:21:24
Rebolinth Thanks Ron ! 11 May
16:21:27
Anton Massive applause from me !! 11 May
16:21:30
btiffin That was a good intro... 11 May
16:21:41
Henrik clap, clap, etc. 11 May
16:21:45
Will yea very interesting 11 May
16:21:48
Sunanda tx Ron 11 May
16:22:09
Anton Thankyou Ron. 11 May
16:22:22
Maxim almost 1000 connections today ! 11 May
16:22:46
Maxim (on the web streams) 11 May
16:22:54
Rebolinth Oke who is getting the cake out ? 11 May
16:22:56
Rebolinth ill grab coffee 11 May
16:23:05
Christian the stream really works fantastically well, congrats on that! 11 May
16:23:27
Rebolinth had some bad hickups last hour.. 11 May
16:23:46
Rebolinth now the link is stable again 11 May
16:23:59
Christian if there was a second cam shooting high-res images of the projections that'd be optimal. 11 May
16:24:06
Christian (updated every 30sec or so) 11 May
16:24:29
Henrik there is an iSight sitting right next to this one 11 May
16:24:37
Christian oh! 11 May
16:27:31
Christian operational too? ;-) 11 May
16:27:51
yeksoon is there a summary of the sessions ....

could not catch up with all the conversations here
11 May
16:27:56
Henrik well, it was pointing at the same spot when I last saw it yesterday :-) 11 May
16:28:18
Christian only question is, where does the data go? ;-) 11 May
16:30:14
Rebolinth hahaha 11 May
16:30:25
btiffin Imagine when we have video Altme... :) 11 May
16:30:36
Gabriele yeksoon... we don't have summaries... at least not yet 11 May
16:31:13
Rebolinth Would be nice to click individual peopl in the Video stream and turn their volume up or down.. 11 May
16:31:28
Gabriele there will be videos online so you'll be able to catch up 11 May
16:31:40
Rebolinth when in group conversation i mean.. 11 May
16:32:00
Rebolinth :-) 11 May
16:32:08
Rebolinth like now.. Turn the guys behind the laptop to 1% and increase the people on the right.. 11 May
16:32:39
Rebolinth ;-) 11 May
16:32:47
PhilB Gab ... did you report the first video to you tube? 11 May
16:33:20
Sunanda Rons says he's happy to anawer questions their developers' group.
That email address again:
developers-[at]-relavance.com
11 May
16:33:28
PhilB report = repost 11 May
16:33:28
Gabriele phil: unfontunately, i can't from here (because it fills up the bw) and i have no other way to connect 11 May
16:33:59
Rebolinth thanks.. 11 May
16:34:06
Gabriele so... i'll post it from home if the official videos are not up yet when i'm back 11 May
16:34:33
PhilB OK thanks Gab .... 11 May
16:34:55
Rebolinth a i have visual again 11 May
16:36:52
Sunanda Nicolas Fournier speaking -- Language Teaching Tools 11 May
16:37:44
Mario Zhong guo hua 11 May
16:38:27
Rebolinth Cam Pai! 11 May
16:39:37
Rebolinth with a regular character base of 2000-3000 for a regular chinees this is handy for europeans indeed! ;-) 11 May
16:43:44
Rebolinth i think it was + 3000 in Taiwan for educated people.. 11 May
16:44:00
Rebolinth does it differentiate in diatects aready or is it mandrin by base. 11 May
16:46:54
btiffin I got to play with a demo Kanji keyboard at IBM once. Holy deskspace batman.
18 shift keys. Used in combination to build the characters.
11 May
16:47:05
Rebolinth Thats Japanse not chinese...? 11 May
16:47:35
Anton wow ! 11 May
16:47:42
Rebolinth So this is about japansese then.. 11 May
16:47:53
Rebolinth No its chinese from the characters.. 11 May
16:48:08
Mario Yep, Chinese keyboard is a normal US or UK keyboard and you write in pinyin or with specific input methods 11 May
16:48:22
Anton One of the Japanese forms uses Chinese characters. 11 May
16:49:11
Rebolinth I have some stuff here from China that has english menu's but some it put pack after reset to chinese.. Still unable to figure out how to put it all back ;-) This tool is a handy helpout here.. 11 May
16:49:43
Rebolinth nice ! 11 May
16:51:08
Rebolinth oo he realy did a nice job... 11 May
16:52:44
btiffin The demo IBM keyboard had some 800 'stroke' keys with the 18 shift permutations...
But this looks much nicer :)
11 May
16:53:16
Rebolinth hahaha..great .. 11 May
16:53:19
Mario Nice as a ZX Spectrum 11 May
16:55:31
Jerry what he is saying is about the seguence of strokes in chinese character. 11 May
16:57:04
Jerry more info here http://www.edu.tw/EDU_WEB/EDU_MGT/MANDR/EDU6300001/allbook/bishuen/p1a.htm?open 11 May
16:57:18
Mario Yes, the program draws like a brush with the right strokes order 11 May
16:57:40
Brock Thanks everyone for your presentations. I look forward to seeing whatever materials that can be put together and summarized online. 11 May
17:02:17
Rebolinth thanks 11 May
17:02:32
btiffin That was pretty cool. 11 May
17:02:51
Mario do http://www.xuehanyu.org/sinoglyph.r 11 May
17:03:22
Rebolinth all create by you Carl !! 11 May
17:03:43
Gabriele we're closing now :) see you later on (probably sunday) 11 May
17:03:50
Anton Thankyou very much !! 11 May
17:04:15
btiffin Thanks Sahores Conseil.... That was a great couple of days. 11 May
17:04:36
Rebolinth ..thanks for the onlne streaming.. 11 May
17:05:07
Mario Yep, it was great, please put some technical details on Qtask Devcon Project! 11 May
17:05:57
Anton Thanks Gabriele for your support. 11 May
17:17:56
DaveC Enjoyed watching most of devcon in the office over the stream. Thanks for that stream. Loved the talk by Ron on ADBMS. It would be great to see some of that technology filter down in Rebol. There are is other video on You Tube? I'll have a search. 11 May
17:55:48
DaveC Sorry "There are is.." is a typo. There is other video on You Tube? 11 May
17:56:51
Henrik I'm still a little amazed that 1000 people appearently watched the stream 11 May
17:57:01
DaveC Wow. REally good figures. 11 May
17:57:45
Rebolinth 1000 connections i guess that was.. 11 May
17:58:07
Rebolinth thats a little different.. 11 May
17:58:23
DaveC Maybe scale the srean up into a full production job for next year then? 11 May
17:58:27
DaveC srean = stream 11 May
17:58:47
Henrik if we're smart (and have the time) the presentation tool will be rebuilt so that the presentation can be broadcast 11 May
17:59:15
DaveC Yes, having a seperate stream with the presentaions would be very cool. 11 May
17:59:48
PhilB We might investigate u Stream .... 11 May
18:00:04
DaveC u Stream? I guess is a live web service? 11 May
18:00:54
Rebolinth perhpas stream.rebol.com could stream 24hrs a day the conferences they had so far.. 11 May
18:01:54
PhilB Leo Laporte was trying it on Twit & his radio show, the Tech Guy ... real time video streaming. 11 May
18:02:25
DaveC Talking of presentations, I didn't catch which script Carl was using for his talks. Does anyone know if that script is online. I did a quick search on rebol.org but nothing came up. Any pointers gratefully received. 11 May
18:04:44
btiffin PhilB...I'm on Leo's new show on Friday. 11 May
18:05:18
btiffin I'm going to try my best to plug REBOL. 11 May
18:05:42
Henrik davec, they are not online yet as he altered the presentation just prior to doing them 11 May
18:07:56
DaveC Thanks Henrik. I'll look out for them later. 11 May
18:08:36
PhilB Brian .... is that "The Lab" or one ofthe podcasts? 11 May
18:15:17
Henrik would sure like to get my hands on that ADBMS... 11 May
18:15:58
DaveC Yes, me too. I would imagine it's a bit expensive. 11 May
18:18:10
DaveC In my area of work (Bioinformatics) we have a national "standard" database with a complex model which breaks easily. Ron's words were like poetry to me - I sure could use his database! 11 May
18:21:00
BrianH I hope that they get the slides or static copies of the streams up soon. With my schedule, I have not been able to be awake and online during any of the presentations, even to chat here. 11 May
18:49:05
btiffin Phil; The Lab. (over the phone) Scheduled for Friday 12:00 to 2:00pm, Airs June 19th. 11 May
18:51:00
Mchean where is the stream? 11 May
18:57:37
Mchean got it http://www.sahores-conseil.com/?q=node/2 11 May
18:59:21
Mchean do you know if it supports Opera 11 May
19:01:22
Mchean and is it still going on? 11 May
19:02:22
btiffin DevCon is over. But it was a QuickTime feed. 11 May
19:03:20
Jean-François no , they are done 11 May
19:03:26
Mchean ok too late :( 11 May
19:03:40
btiffin It was good. Word is YouTube postings are coming soon. 11 May
19:08:29
Mchean cool 11 May
19:08:42
Mchean good move too! 11 May
19:08:47
btiffin Yep. 11 May
19:09:14
Christophe Now finally in state of joining the conversation... 11 May
20:30:16
Christophe Do you have any feedback about the web site ? I will publish it on QTask, for the future generations... 11 May
20:31:25
Christophe I will ask RT to host the site archive and the videos. My host at rebdocproj.org does not allow too much HD space.... 11 May
20:33:07
Pekr hehe, by the lack of new info about R3 from the DevCon (due to my insufficient ability to follow spoken English, as well as due to no slides released), I wen to http://www.rebol.net/cgi-bin/r3blog.r?index=0 and re-read most of the blogs and its comments, and now I feel that so much was said already about R3, that I feel satisifed :-) 11 May
21:37:50
Pekr well, for few days, at least ... untill Carl is back - then it is time to bug him to post DevCon slides somewhere :-) 11 May
21:38:46
Brock DaveC: For devcon 2005 Carl had a script called... show.r. The script he was using this time seems to be slightly different from the last Devcon as the last devcon the show.r had a clock displaying the time remaining using a very fancy clock. 11 May
22:15:31
Henrik yes, I'm sorry about that clock. I was not aware of the dimensions the clock was supposed to have :-) 11 May
22:21:53
Brock I didn't find it on Rebol.org. You'd think it would either be there or atleast accessible from the View desktop, in Tools, but it's not. 11 May
22:22:21
Henrik http://hmkdesign.dk/rebol/clock.zip 11 May
22:22:50
Brock I thought you were responsible for that. Seems Carl modified the idea for the new show.r 11 May
22:23:02
Henrik yes, an inverted progress bar is more subtle 11 May
22:23:49
Henrik normally you'd have the timer on your laptop display and not on the presentation 11 May
22:24:17
Henrik oops, its http://hmkdesign.dk/rebol/old/clock.zip 11 May
22:24:34
Pekr I can imagine complete cute app for DevCons. Not video and sound till Rebol 3 and proper plug-ins, but imagine this - kind of server (Cheyenne), accepting outer connections. Each presenter would have to send his slides to conference organisers, who would put it into structure - Schedule, with time slots. I know that schedules are missed, or skipped, but once connected, you could see what session is actually broadcasted, you could see progress bar of the estimated time left till the end of the session, and as presenter would go via slides, it would be "broadcasted" to outer world ... 11 May
22:27:52
Henrik pekr, to supplement your idea, it could go outside and in as well, presenting your stuff on the big screen from home 11 May
22:28:44
Pekr The trouble is, that sessions are not always like that - sometimes you simply show code, live demo etc., so that part cold be troublesome. Still better than nonthing .... 11 May
22:28:51
Pekr Henrik - good idea ... 11 May
22:29:12
Henrik but we have to hurry: MacOSX Leopard's iChat is going to have precisely that feature :-) 11 May
22:29:50
Pekr Maybe we would need two beamers - e.g. how Reichart presented his stuff. On one screen you could see face of presenter right corner, and slides, the second one could be used for live demo or something like that :-) 11 May
22:30:28
Henrik http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.tuaw.com/media/2007/04/ichat_theaterscreenshot.jpg <-- like this? :-) 11 May
22:32:01
Pekr yes ;-) 11 May
22:38:06
Henrik http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvsboPUjrGc <--- I hope we will be equally enthustiastic at the next devcon 11 May
23:00:29
Terry "The future is here, it's just unevenly distributed among pithy sci-fi authors" 11 May
23:12:51
Terry So... what have we learned for R3?

- unlimited words

Good enough for me.
11 May
23:38:14
Terry Have we learned what the licensing structure will be? The current license has been a roadblock to Rebol promotion/acceptance.. is this still the case? 11 May
23:57:21