Name | Message | Time (Paris) |
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Rebolinth | Is there an Agenda for today? | 11 May 08:29:43 |
Rebolinth | an Agenda for the remote user... | 11 May 08:30:24 |
Sunanda | Rebolinth....The schedule is here: http://devcon2007.rebdocproj.org/schedule.html I don't know of any changes to it -- yet. The conference starts in 10 minutes, at least in theory. Ladislav and I have arrived on time :-) |
11 May 08:50:52 |
Pekr | thanks for the info, Sunanda - the live stream is not there yet, right? | 11 May 08:51:58 |
Pekr | Rebolinth - there were 2 presentations missing yesterday - Reichart's, and Carl's "Embedding REBOL" .... | 11 May 08:52:33 |
Pekr | Sunanda - any other interesting info, said during Banquet? :-) | 11 May 08:52:51 |
Rebolinth | everyone is probably still enjoying there croissant avec le caffee, Enjoy ;-) | 11 May 08:53:04 |
Reichart | Hopefullly. | 11 May 08:54:48 |
Mario | I still remember your sleepy face during the DevCon 2005 breakfasts :) | 11 May 08:57:57 |
Pekr | Reichart - how went your bike-ride yesterday? Is there big damage to your park? Or is it renewable? | 11 May 08:58:23 |
Mario | face = faces not yours in particular Reichart | 11 May 08:58:29 |
Mario | Reichart: did anyone told you the software/hardware used for the streaming? | 11 May 09:00:04 |
Reichart | lost about 350 hectacres.....very sad. | 11 May 09:00:13 |
Will | when does the show begin? | 11 May 09:00:53 |
Reichart | I do a 20km ride in about 45 minutes...love teh ride, but the whole valley was yellow with ash. | 11 May 09:00:54 |
Mario | What's happened to the park?! | 11 May 09:01:03 |
Reichart | Fire | 11 May 09:01:10 |
Mario | :( | 11 May 09:01:23 |
Mario | Too hot weather or an accident? | 11 May 09:01:42 |
Rebolinth | nucliar powerplant experiments probably ;-) | 11 May 09:02:13 |
Reichart | Homeless man living in the park smoking a cig caugt himself and park on fire. | 11 May 09:02:21 |
Reichart | No, have not learned system specs of Cam set up in france. Nor if I'm giving a talk right now. | 11 May 09:03:25 |
Mario | Didn't they set up a skype session with you? No tests before the event? | 11 May 09:04:30 |
Reichart | LOL | 11 May 09:04:51 |
Reichart | You mean afterI asked for a test last week?.................................no.... | 11 May 09:05:06 |
Rebolinth | ..ici le truc..le record-button... | 11 May 09:05:34 |
Mario | That was my fault too... But I had to deal with Telecom Italia: no way to change settings of their lines/firewalls in less than a month and without a new contract... | 11 May 09:06:04 |
Rebolinth | btw..does the Qt stream work? I mean was it only the whole time yesterday? and how is the sound? | 11 May 09:09:34 |
Rebolinth | only=online | 11 May 09:09:47 |
Sunanda | Petr -- I learned a lot about Texas during the banquet, but I wasn't close enough to Carl to hear any dropped revelations. | 11 May 09:10:02 |
Reichart | It was up about 80% 20% it required refresh |
11 May 09:10:16 |
Mario | Good sound, connect to: rtsp://195.220.133.26:80/dess-capture.sdp vith VLC | 11 May 09:10:44 |
Sunanda | Techie is setting uo the cameras now. | 11 May 09:10:45 |
Rebolinth | Any idea how many remote user connections it pulls? | 11 May 09:10:53 |
Reichart | The quality was nice though. | 11 May 09:10:58 |
Pekr | Sunanda - OK ... you know, we are eager for more info. I really thought Carl's slides will be released ;-) The camera is fine, but maybe I would prefer it zoomed on the slides to be able to read it, and to "just" hear Carl's voice in the background ... | 11 May 09:11:11 |
Reichart | We know about 5-10 of us were pulling at the same time. | 11 May 09:11:22 |
Sunanda | Max said he had 400 people connected during his presentation yesterday. | 11 May 09:11:25 |
Rebolinth | ha oke.. cant wait to peek in ;-) | 11 May 09:11:26 |
Rebolinth | good idea pekr... | 11 May 09:12:03 |
Will | video is on | 11 May 09:12:06 |
Reichart | 400? Really? | 11 May 09:12:10 |
Gabriele | hi everyone :) | 11 May 09:12:42 |
Will | Cia Gabriele 8)) | 11 May 09:12:55 |
Reichart | I find that hard to..........er understand............WOW (the game) rarely gets 400 people in public events let alone a tech conference in France... | 11 May 09:12:58 |
Will | CIAO | 11 May 09:12:59 |
Rebolinth | Bon giorno.. | 11 May 09:13:05 |
Pekr | hi Gabriele. Any secret revelation durin Banquet? Or just wine & fun? :-) | 11 May 09:13:17 |
Sunanda | Petr -- Carl says sorry slides not online yet. | 11 May 09:13:19 |
Reichart | Buenas Dias Senor | 11 May 09:13:25 |
Rebolinth | does it stream already? Or am i on the wrong page? | 11 May 09:14:05 |
Henrik | stream works fine here | 11 May 09:14:17 |
Will | reichard: we need a clap button on altme | 11 May 09:14:21 |
Rebolinth | http://www.sahores-conseil.com/rebol2007.html ? | 11 May 09:14:37 |
Will | rebolinth: http://ead.ephe.sorbonne.fr/dess-capture.sdp streaming now | 11 May 09:14:42 |
Gabriele | Reichart, we don't see you on skype | 11 May 09:14:57 |
Rebolinth | aaaaaaaaa yes thanks | 11 May 09:15:13 |
Gabriele | i think it was 4-5 people not 400 on the stream, but i don't know | 11 May 09:15:44 |
Reichart | See correct....I have not connected teh camera | 11 May 09:15:46 |
Rebolinth | aaa yes now http://www.sahores-conseil.com/rebol2007.html works too | 11 May 09:16:30 |
Pekr | I also wondered, who would be those 400 ppl ... there are not so many amigans plus rebollers left in the world :-) | 11 May 09:16:43 |
Reichart | We can see video (poor quality though) | 11 May 09:17:09 |
Rebolinth | no fine here.. | 11 May 09:17:22 |
Rebolinth | a little sharper perhpas.. | 11 May 09:17:42 |
Sunanda | Max confirms the techie said 400. Perhaps 10% are reconnects. | 11 May 09:17:47 |
Reichart | 4-5 ....yes, that would make sense. | 11 May 09:17:56 |
Will | did not get my iTV yet so had to open about 40 stream to fill all the 60 inches monitor in the room | 11 May 09:18:03 |
Terry | 400? I find that hard to believe. | 11 May 09:18:06 |
Gabriele | reichart calling :) | 11 May 09:18:49 |
Rebolinth | phone.. | 11 May 09:19:08 |
Sunanda | Me too, Terry. I'm just relaying what I've been told. | 11 May 09:19:23 |
Gabriele | we hear you | 11 May 09:19:25 |
Gabriele | but we see a monitor i think | 11 May 09:19:31 |
Gabriele | they're ttrying to make your vid full screen | 11 May 09:20:08 |
Gabriele | ok you're there now | 11 May 09:20:29 |
Gabriele | we see a funny face | 11 May 09:20:37 |
Will | Hello Reichart 8)) | 11 May 09:20:58 |
Gabriele | yes | 11 May 09:21:06 |
Sunanda | We hear you | 11 May 09:21:11 |
Terry | Look .. Reichart's on the space station ;) | 11 May 09:21:16 |
Rebolinth | Sound is actualy too loud on qt... | 11 May 09:21:21 |
Terry | Anyway to boost the treble? | 11 May 09:22:04 |
Gabriele | sound is a bit too loud here too actually | 11 May 09:22:19 |
Pekr | sound is bruuuumming (czech term :-), so it is difficult to distinguish english for me :-) | 11 May 09:22:49 |
Will | if you are on os x download "audio hijack pro" http://www.rogueamoeba.com/audiohijackpro/ u can pipe the sound trhu equalizers, filters, ecc | 11 May 09:23:45 |
Gabriele | (i wonder if the stream should be off during this to give more bw to skype) | 11 May 09:23:49 |
Terry | no way | 11 May 09:24:15 |
Henrik | I asked yesterday if the sound could be piped to the stream, but that probably would clash with the room audio | 11 May 09:24:21 |
Pekr | :-) | 11 May 09:24:24 |
Rebolinth | enjoy the coffee carl.. | 11 May 09:24:34 |
Rebolinth | ill grab one too.. | 11 May 09:24:42 |
Pekr | So guys, who was close to Carl yesterday and has any new secret info? :-) | 11 May 09:24:57 |
Rebolinth | hahaha your very currious pekr...haha | 11 May 09:25:17 |
Gabriele | me. and i won't tell you anything ;) | 11 May 09:25:21 |
Gabriele | didec was close too... you may try with him ;) | 11 May 09:25:42 |
Henrik | seems no one is home to answer the phone | 11 May 09:25:50 |
Pekr | guys, I will format your notebooks next year ;-) | 11 May 09:25:55 |
Gabriele | this is your punishment for not coming here to have fun with us :P | 11 May 09:26:20 |
Rebolinth | no answering machines in france? | 11 May 09:26:22 |
Sunanda | A suggestion.....Various people have asked questions here, some have been passed on or answered, Others have got lost in the chatter. Why not some set up a DevCon Questions page here: http://devcon2007.on-arran.com/ People can then add their questions, and they won't get lost. |
11 May 09:26:37 |
Gabriele | anyway petr, no secret was talked about... just the usual stuff | 11 May 09:27:55 |
Pekr | Sunanda - because someone would have to pass them on Carl anyway :-) | 11 May 09:28:02 |
Pekr | It would be sufficient, if his slides could be posted online | 11 May 09:28:26 |
Gabriele | Reichart........... it seems like you lost your chance, they're letting Carl speak now | 11 May 09:29:02 |
Pekr | that is strange organisation, isn't it? :-) | 11 May 09:29:26 |
Gabriele | R3 open environment and extensions | 11 May 09:29:42 |
Pekr | well, cool anyway! | 11 May 09:29:55 |
Terry | sound is good | 11 May 09:29:57 |
Sunanda | One URL, Petr, and all the questions are on one page. | 11 May 09:30:00 |
Reichart | Back | 11 May 09:31:41 |
Gabriele | Carl says Reichart can go if he's ready | 11 May 09:32:10 |
Reichart | Yup. | 11 May 09:32:27 |
Reichart | REady | 11 May 09:32:31 |
Gabriele | they're trying to call you | 11 May 09:32:34 |
Gabriele | it rings here | 11 May 09:32:41 |
Terry | That was a long boot.. must be windows ;) | 11 May 09:32:48 |
Reichart | I hear it there but not here LOL | 11 May 09:32:58 |
Gabriele | Reichart try to call us | 11 May 09:33:09 |
Gabriele | hopefully it'll work..... | 11 May 09:33:18 |
Rebolinth | aaaa nice... | 11 May 09:33:42 |
Reichart | LOL does not show you guys as online! | 11 May 09:33:45 |
Reichart | 3 Billion gets you this! | 11 May 09:33:51 |
Reichart | Trying agian. | 11 May 09:34:07 |
Gabriele | ok | 11 May 09:34:19 |
Pekr | that is really strange. I never saw Skype before and two weeks ago when we had meeting from high-school, I set-up Skype in 5-10 minutes, including registration, installation, and our town - Dallas call was OK. Well, but I am my ISP too :-) | 11 May 09:35:08 |
Reichart | We are trying... | 11 May 09:35:45 |
Henrik | well, it worked before? anything changed since then? | 11 May 09:36:09 |
Pekr | there is maybe some Skype blocking or problem with the ISP .... | 11 May 09:36:34 |
Reichart | Yes, we did not offer a sacrifice to teh MS gods each and every day. | 11 May 09:36:35 |
Gabriele | Skype is not 100% reliable. i use it a lot and 20% of the times it does not work correctly | 11 May 09:36:46 |
Rebolinth | show of the slides please.. | 11 May 09:37:08 |
Rebolinth | yes thaks...good shot | 11 May 09:37:18 |
Reichart | I see remonts now, but will not connect. | 11 May 09:37:18 |
Reichart | Yeah, point the camera correclty. | 11 May 09:37:29 |
Pekr | I would not interrupt Carl anymore - if someone is recording the session, it would be chaotic, no? | 11 May 09:37:35 |
Gabriele | we see reichart | 11 May 09:38:12 |
Henrik | now the autofocusing problem again... | 11 May 09:38:45 |
Pekr | ah, camera refocusing once again ... | 11 May 09:38:48 |
Terry | camera is trying to focus | 11 May 09:38:52 |
Pekr | that must be some cheap shitty camera - we need Axis :-) | 11 May 09:39:16 |
Reichart | I am delayed about 60 seconss!!!!! | 11 May 09:39:26 |
Henrik | LOL | 11 May 09:39:36 |
Terry | you talk, we listen | 11 May 09:39:50 |
Rebolinth | can the cam be pointed to the beam ? | 11 May 09:40:14 |
Reichart | Gab, can they move teh Cam towards teh projector? | 11 May 09:41:25 |
Gabriele | ok they muted the mic | 11 May 09:41:41 |
Gabriele | you won't hear us now but we hear you fine | 11 May 09:41:52 |
Gabriele | so go ahead | 11 May 09:41:55 |
Terry | camera left plese | 11 May 09:42:11 |
Gabriele | go ahead | 11 May 09:42:18 |
Rebolinth | no left ;-) | 11 May 09:42:28 |
Will | zin zin zin ?? | 11 May 09:42:41 |
Sunanda | 1 2 3 : perfect | 11 May 09:42:43 |
Rebolinth | yes | 11 May 09:42:52 |
Terry | aye carumba | 11 May 09:42:55 |
Gabriele | go reichart it's all fine here | 11 May 09:42:55 |
Rebolinth | focus.. | 11 May 09:42:58 |
Rebolinth | k | 11 May 09:43:06 |
Sunanda | in sync -- good to go | 11 May 09:43:11 |
Rebolinth | 5 degrees left | 11 May 09:43:19 |
Gabriele | it's ok | 11 May 09:43:22 |
Reichart | I no longer hear teh room. | 11 May 09:43:26 |
Gabriele | just go ahead ;) | 11 May 09:43:27 |
Gabriele | yeah we muted the mic | 11 May 09:43:36 |
Reichart | I am not a SMURF! | 11 May 09:43:43 |
Reichart | ANYMORe..............er. | 11 May 09:43:49 |
Maxim | yes | 11 May 09:43:56 |
Gabriele | yes | 11 May 09:43:56 |
Will | are there any pretty rebol girls? | 11 May 09:44:49 |
Gabriele | we're fine you can go on | 11 May 09:44:50 |
Gabriele | Carl says: Talk! | 11 May 09:44:57 |
Sunanda | Carl says talk! | 11 May 09:44:58 |
Brock | regarding the auto-focus, maybe this can be turned off? | 11 May 09:46:49 |
Rebolinth | do [ move cam -35 degrees ] | 11 May 09:48:57 |
Gabriele | (cam operator is not on altme and i think he does not speak english) | 11 May 09:49:59 |
Brock | good thing he's talking Rebol :-) | 11 May 09:50:24 |
Gabriele | no questions here | 11 May 09:51:43 |
Gabriele | Carl | 11 May 09:51:59 |
Gabriele | has a question | 11 May 09:52:02 |
Will | hom many attendee at the conference? | 11 May 09:53:06 |
Gabriele | i think 27 | 11 May 09:53:18 |
Pekr | 27 yesterday ... | 11 May 09:53:19 |
Gabriele | there was a question from Crl | 11 May 09:58:45 |
Gabriele | Carl | 11 May 09:58:48 |
Gabriele | but about earlier | 11 May 09:58:57 |
Reichart | What si the question? | 11 May 09:59:30 |
Gabriele | earlier, when he said user interface, was he statinng the ui as an abstraction or the ui as a gfx manifestation? | 11 May 09:59:33 |
Reichart | One sec | 11 May 09:59:57 |
Gabriele | yes all ok | 11 May 10:07:12 |
Reichart | Please confirm I sound ok | 11 May 10:07:14 |
Gabriele | we hear you greatly | 11 May 10:07:17 |
Rebolinth | yes oe | 11 May 10:07:23 |
Rebolinth | k | 11 May 10:07:27 |
Anton | pretty good | 11 May 10:07:36 |
Terry | Ruby sucks | 11 May 10:14:23 |
Terry | :) | 11 May 10:14:30 |
Rebolinth | :) | 11 May 10:14:35 |
Brock | what is the name of the framework? | 11 May 10:16:19 |
Gabriele | Quilt | 11 May 10:16:26 |
Maxim | quilt | 11 May 10:16:27 |
Brock | tx | 11 May 10:16:39 |
Robert | Can someone turn the Cam to the screen. Sound seems to come from behind the cam and sounds awful... | 11 May 10:20:02 |
Rebolinth | please do [ move cam ] | 11 May 10:20:19 |
Brock | not to mention the guy sleeping in the foreground! | 11 May 10:20:33 |
Gabriele | it can't focus on the screen | 11 May 10:20:37 |
Terry | hehe | 11 May 10:20:47 |
Anton | perhaps the audience, then | 11 May 10:21:10 |
Rebolinth | hee it works.. | 11 May 10:21:25 |
Mario | source please | 11 May 10:21:46 |
Rebolinth | is there a prototype/demo available? or sceen shots? | 11 May 10:26:21 |
Reichart | ANy questions? | 11 May 10:26:34 |
Terry | Q. Is Rebol being delegated to the backend forever? | 11 May 10:27:04 |
Anton | Quilt user interface layout spec examples ? | 11 May 10:27:11 |
Terry | In other words, is the desktop dead? | 11 May 10:27:36 |
Anton | I certainly haven't lost sight of the desktop. I think the way forward is to improve the viewtop and then get it into the web plugin. | 11 May 10:28:50 |
Robert | Reichart looks so flat from the side... | 11 May 10:28:58 |
Anton | that's alright, we can just "enhance the image" a few times. | 11 May 10:29:49 |
Rebolinth | viewtop is still a great concept..dont kill it.. | 11 May 10:30:39 |
Gabriele | Reichart..... do you want me to explain Anton how Quilt works? | 11 May 10:30:46 |
Anton | I just want to see some code snippets. | 11 May 10:31:25 |
Will | yea me too please | 11 May 10:31:49 |
Pekr | what are we talking about? Surely Quilt does not replace View, no? | 11 May 10:32:13 |
Gabriele | ok... so basically.... you have cards which are like windows, and molecules which are like widgets | 11 May 10:32:23 |
Gabriele | cards are generated by a "generator" which is a function that outputs html and a few small other things | 11 May 10:32:58 |
Terry | Vive le Manifestaions | 11 May 10:33:12 |
Gabriele | it can call other functions that return the html for the molecules | 11 May 10:33:17 |
Gabriele | this goes to the client side... which also loads your JS file with the classes for your card and molecules | 11 May 10:33:45 |
Gabriele | and then drives the ui on the client side | 11 May 10:33:59 |
Terry | In my opinion, Rebol should FOCUS on the backend.. aka Cheynne.. data storage etc. | 11 May 10:34:29 |
Gabriele | then the ui just calls back the server via qtask api (blowdart) | 11 May 10:34:31 |
Anton | ok, yes, I've heard this explanation before. What are the widgets called etc. ? | 11 May 10:34:36 |
Gabriele | generate-content: func [ is-card content-generator cardid dimensions js-files dialog-arr args /local l_width l_height l_id l_src js-classname ] [ l_src: none if not is-card [l_id: cardid] switch content-generator [ "file.fileshare" [ obj: make quilt/ret-obj [ src: build-fileshare title: "Your files" short-title: "Files" ] quilt/add-dialog dialog-arr "fileupload" "FileShareUpload" rejoi n [ "<p>Please select a file to upload:</p>" quilt/basic-molecule/class/id { <iframe src="about:blank" style="border: none; height: 60px; width: 250px;">IFRAME not displayed!</iframe> <p style="display: none;">Uploading file... <img src="/images/Qtask- Bar-64.gif" /></p> |
11 May 10:37:40 |
Pekr | So what is Quilt in general? Sorry, was not here for the most of the presentation. Is that just Qtask infrastructure "front-end" for browser client? | 11 May 10:37:45 |
Gabriele | i'll save you most of the rest of the html there... | 11 May 10:38:03 |
Gabriele | either is-card [ insert tail js-files "card/FileShare.js" set [l_id l_src] framework/basic-card/floating/originX/origi nY/width/height/title/short-title/class obj/src cardid content-generator dimensions/1 dimensions/2 any [dimensions/3 "640px"] any [dimensions/4 "500px"] obj/title obj/short-title "FileShare" ] [ l_src: quilt/contextualize obj/src "FileShare" cardid ] ] ] reduce [l_id js-classname l_src] ] |
11 May 10:38:20 |
Rebolinth | where can we re-read Quilt information on the web? | 11 May 10:39:41 |
Gabriele | (not afaik, but Reichart will answer you) | 11 May 10:40:20 |
Terry | Q. Given the mashup philosophy, what, if any community support is there for javascript dialect, CSS dialect etc? | 11 May 10:41:30 |
Anton | thx Gabriele | 11 May 10:41:49 |
Rebolinth | Q: wondering where is the money in the Quilt concept? Is it in your own applications or in the framework rights? (i missed the start of you speach..sorry) | 11 May 10:43:58 |
Gabriele | afaik quilt is just the ui "framework" for qtask. | 11 May 10:44:39 |
Anton | Great question ! | 11 May 10:45:05 |
Rebolinth | ;-) | 11 May 10:45:16 |
Terry | I meant within the Rebol community.. can we work together to build browser based dialects, support? | 11 May 10:45:33 |
Anton | World of Warcraft has its own currency. Are you planning your own trading system within Qtask ? | 11 May 10:45:35 |
Rebolinth | intresting reichart..thanks.. | 11 May 10:45:57 |
Anton | .. and Second Life. | 11 May 10:46:00 |
Gabriele | (btw guys, please keep in mind our time is limited ;) | 11 May 10:46:37 |
Pekr | but it reminded me of your doc, where you suggested to separate app logic and UI representation. I can imagine having rebol framework back-end, featuring various engines - callendaring, task management, general workflow engine etc., and API for user interface. And the client? - would be translated into web browser interface or represented by Rebol View UI. Possible? :-) | 11 May 10:46:38 |
Pekr | your doc equals Gabriele's proposition on next gen Rebol's UI concept ... | 11 May 10:47:17 |
Gabriele | petr, possible, but quilt does not do that, there is no dialect. | 11 May 10:47:29 |
Pekr | I think it will be better to continue here on altme .... | 11 May 10:47:50 |
Maxim | shut up! | 11 May 10:48:25 |
Maxim | ;-) | 11 May 10:48:35 |
Rebolinth | haha | 11 May 10:48:37 |
Pekr | What I miss so far is - more strategic view. We know little of R3, well, we know some bits, but still no bigger picture - integration strategies, what happens to View, what is the idea behind View, IOS, altME integration? | 11 May 10:48:43 |
Maxim | cindy asks if you can talk any faster? | 11 May 10:48:52 |
Dockimbel | Reichart, please think of concluding now. We are out of schedule by far !! (DideC speaking) | 11 May 10:49:27 |
Maxim | like 2 hours off... | 11 May 10:49:40 |
Rebolinth | very nice reichart..thanks ! hope to read more about Quilt/qtask details soon... | 11 May 10:50:11 |
Anton | Thankyou Reichart. | 11 May 10:50:20 |
Maxim | thanks a lot :-) | 11 May 10:50:31 |
Terry | Applause from Canada | 11 May 10:50:34 |
Sunanda | Applause! | 11 May 10:50:35 |
Gabriele | thank you reichart!! | 11 May 10:50:37 |
Anton | Claps.. | 11 May 10:50:48 |
Maxim | nice information. | 11 May 10:50:51 |
Dockimbel | ( Lot of clap in the audience) making sound by keyboard !! | 11 May 10:50:57 |
Will | CLAP CLAP CLAP | 11 May 10:50:58 |
Reichart | LOL | 11 May 10:51:04 |
Rebolinth | slamming croissants.. | 11 May 10:51:09 |
Reichart | Boy it is hard to speak this slow................... | 11 May 10:51:13 |
Anton | Need a "clap" key. | 11 May 10:51:17 |
Brock | tx | 11 May 10:51:25 |
Maxim | haha | 11 May 10:51:25 |
Rebolinth | now move that cam ! | 11 May 10:51:52 |
Gabriele | hey riechart, you stole time to Carl ;) | 11 May 10:51:54 |
Pekr | soo, what's next? | 11 May 10:51:55 |
Reichart | By hard I mean blah bla blah uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh blah blah blah. | 11 May 10:51:57 |
Terry | Can Doc wave to the folks here please | 11 May 10:52:03 |
PhilB | What is next? When is Carl talking about embedding? | 11 May 10:52:07 |
Reichart | YEah we can see carl talking to 4 people | 11 May 10:52:19 |
PhilB | more handgrenades going off | 11 May 10:52:30 |
Gabriele | we're having a break | 11 May 10:52:35 |
Rebolinth | www.qtask.com ? | 11 May 10:52:43 |
Reichart | I see Luca, Ladislav, Didier | 11 May 10:52:53 |
Gabriele | i'll keep the contacts... everyone else having a break :) | 11 May 10:53:00 |
Reichart | Norman, Qtask is by invite only right now. | 11 May 10:53:14 |
Rebolinth | oke... | 11 May 10:53:25 |
Reichart | All you have to do is ask though and you will be invited. | 11 May 10:53:27 |
Rebolinth | I liek to know if the concept fits in our products.. | 11 May 10:53:41 |
Anton | Anyone got some papier et stylo ? Write "doucement" and stick it on the door. | 11 May 10:53:54 |
Rebolinth | I work in the mobile market | 11 May 10:53:59 |
Reichart | You might be impresed by Qtask mobile | 11 May 10:54:16 |
Reichart | I live on it.............I can see my events, my messages, etc. | 11 May 10:54:29 |
Rebolinth | I just like to know it the concept fits.. | 11 May 10:54:36 |
Reichart | Know if my team has a problem, etc. | 11 May 10:54:38 |
Rebolinth | yes that sounds great... | 11 May 10:55:08 |
Reichart | Pretty funny when that door closes! | 11 May 10:55:15 |
Rebolinth | no documents yet on qtask mobile? | 11 May 10:55:37 |
Brock | would make a good sound-clip | 11 May 10:55:39 |
Rebolinth | i like to pass that to marketing if it fits our concepts.. | 11 May 10:55:56 |
Pekr | Reichart - any docs on Quilt? | 11 May 10:56:34 |
Reichart | My fav feature is our scratchpad. You log in on your cell hone, and can simply type what ever you want, hit send, and it appends it to your scratchpad, so now it is on your computer. and if you put something on your computer (browser), and likewise, something you add to the web is instantly on your cell phone. | 11 May 10:56:38 |
Rebolinth | Do you sell Qtask to Operators? | 11 May 10:57:22 |
Reichart | Petr, yes, in the SDK, but primitive right now, in about 2 weeks we start teh big Doc push, and will be hiring a full time WRANGLER to handle developers and the docs. | 11 May 10:57:36 |
Reichart | Norman, yes....that is our enterprise model. | 11 May 10:57:48 |
Rebolinth | Im just wondering how qtask/Quilt can be used in the MMS / sms etc.. range.. (we build those services and are leader nr 1 ;-) | 11 May 10:58:03 |
Terry | Carl.. the walls have ears | 11 May 10:58:07 |
Reichart | You can run it on your servers. Control everything, even brand it as your own. Remove the nsame Qtask, etc. | 11 May 10:58:09 |
Reichart | We are currently building SMS interfaces, ie. Calendar in/out messeging. Type "meet Norman 7p" on phone and instantly it appears on your calendar both on call but also on computer (browsers). | 11 May 10:59:13 |
Reichart | Gab has already written the parser (works very nicely, just like Google's). | 11 May 10:59:42 |
PhilB | can someone indicate when we are back from the break .... | 11 May 10:59:59 |
Volker | where is it interesting in qtask? all my chats are silent. | 11 May 11:00:02 |
Reichart | (I'm typing on a very small keyboard, excuse all the typos) | 11 May 11:00:07 |
Rebolinth | Reichart.. i like to pass documentation to our product/mareketing department.. where can i get it? | 11 May 11:00:27 |
Rebolinth | do you have a global introduction sheet for compagny's ? | 11 May 11:00:53 |
Reichart | Volker LOL, yes, in the projects you are part of, it would be quite right now. Most is happening in a project that only has a few people in it right now, including Carl, Ashley, etc. The SDK is where al the talk wil be happening soon. | 11 May 11:01:13 |
Rebolinth | <perhpas other chat group> | 11 May 11:01:16 |
Will | enfin.. Dock is there 8-)) | 11 May 11:02:18 |
Reichart | Norman, our new website (as opposed to our web service) will be up with docs in about 2 weeks...it will speak to our architecture, Mobile, API, etc. We have hired several more people recenty who are working on this. | 11 May 11:02:22 |
Reichart | WE also just hired another DB guy just to handle the MySQL, he has 20+ years in DB design and implmentation. | 11 May 11:02:45 |
Rebolinth | thanks.. Ill contact you via altme on this soon.. | 11 May 11:03:13 |
Reichart | Sure am glad Carl is wearing blue on green, and not grreen on green...he sort of looked like a wood nymph yesterday.... : ) | 11 May 11:03:15 |
Pekr | how many ppl working on Qtask? | 11 May 11:03:28 |
Reichart | About 50+ people world wide now. | 11 May 11:03:45 |
Reichart | Carl starts talking and the feed stopped! | 11 May 11:03:54 |
Robert | As I missed yesterdays talk: Who is behind Safeworlds? | 11 May 11:04:02 |
Reichart | BAck again. | 11 May 11:04:05 |
Will | remind me of Steve Jobs and his Keynote.app but Carl'one is 10kb ! | 11 May 11:05:08 |
Graham | are these being posted to utube still? | 11 May 11:05:14 |
Pekr | I fear there is no deeper organisation and in the fact noone is recording ... | 11 May 11:05:43 |
Reichart | SW = a sub team of us. | 11 May 11:05:57 |
Robert | who is us? | 11 May 11:06:11 |
Reichart | An overlap of people from Prolfic, Qtask, and RT. | 11 May 11:06:48 |
Reichart | Of note, we just incorporated Qtask, Inc. and it will be separated from Prolific and stand alone as its own company. Another successful Prolific incubation, which includes several major Slot machine brands, the worlds best selling screen savers, and on going work for the DoD (in America). Qtask, Inc. has appointed its CEO, CFO, CTO, etc. which will be released in the next month. |
11 May 11:09:36 |
Pekr | and what is the relation to SafeWorlds? Is that a separate company too? | 11 May 11:11:13 |
Reichart | Yes, also seperate. | 11 May 11:11:42 |
Volker | For some synergy: Distributed screensaving slotmachines? :D | 11 May 11:13:25 |
Reichart | you mean distributed screensaving slotmachines for military.... : ) | 11 May 11:14:03 |
Reichart | It is the weapon of the future. | 11 May 11:14:16 |
Volker | Yes, they have to wait a loot betwen battles ;) | 11 May 11:14:21 |
Rebolinth | can we zoom the cam om the wall ? | 11 May 11:14:29 |
Volker | And when the enemy really manages to invade he is busy. | 11 May 11:14:43 |
Rebolinth | aaa we are missing all the nice diagrams... | 11 May 11:16:31 |
Rebolinth | please? do [ zoom cam to beam ] | 11 May 11:16:43 |
Gabriele | it won't focus | 11 May 11:17:05 |
Reichart | It must be confusing to people tjat never programmed on the Amiga when we make all these refs to the Amiga. Damn the Amiga was well designed. | 11 May 11:17:10 |
Gabriele | just wait for when the slides will be online | 11 May 11:17:15 |
Volker | Is.. | 11 May 11:17:23 |
Rebolinth | k | 11 May 11:17:26 |
Pekr | back - what is the topic now? | 11 May 11:18:20 |
Gabriele | devices right now | 11 May 11:18:33 |
Pekr | environments session? | 11 May 11:18:52 |
Gabriele | carl showed some C code... examples of how to interface to the rebol library | 11 May 11:19:05 |
Gabriele | yep | 11 May 11:19:07 |
Rebolinth | top secret! ;-) | 11 May 11:19:22 |
Volker | And we have to wait a lot weeks totouch it.. :( | 11 May 11:19:33 |
Pekr | ah, will he cover rebol's library interface improvements? Are there any at all? ;-) | 11 May 11:19:44 |
Rebolinth | yes..little more | 11 May 11:20:06 |
Gabriele | probably not at this point | 11 May 11:20:07 |
Gabriele | it's all in the OS part so you can improve it yourself | 11 May 11:20:32 |
Rebolinth | very nice imlpant carl! | 11 May 11:20:37 |
Gabriele | C struct for device request | 11 May 11:21:27 |
Pekr | so still awfull callback support, chars, nested structs spec etc.? bleee :-) | 11 May 11:21:30 |
Rebolinth | callbacks is always a hard part.. | 11 May 11:22:11 |
Gabriele | i didn't say that. i said that's not going to be discussed now | 11 May 11:22:15 |
Rebolinth | none would be nice ;-) | 11 May 11:22:20 |
Gabriele | and... i said that you can make it the way you want if you don't like how it'llbe :) | 11 May 11:22:40 |
Gabriele | introduction to plugins now | 11 May 11:22:56 |
Rebolinth | aaa nice... | 11 May 11:23:04 |
Pekr | not sure. need to know more about plug-ins :-) | 11 May 11:23:09 |
Gabriele | loads dll / requestst plugin header / calls init function /loads any module code / resolves word symbol table / creates native functions / natives dispatched via dll table | 11 May 11:25:19 |
Volker | psst! | 11 May 11:25:23 |
Sunanda | plug-in (in this sense) is C-code thta plugs into REBOL.....A bit like writing your own natives. So makes REBOL highly extensible. | 11 May 11:25:26 |
Gabriele | will use rebin but rebin is still an issue | 11 May 11:25:47 |
Gabriele | so plugins are on hold right this moment | 11 May 11:26:05 |
Pekr | cool, is that done already, or to be done for 3.x? where x > 0? | 11 May 11:26:17 |
Pekr | ah ... | 11 May 11:26:26 |
Volker | Also open source part? | 11 May 11:26:33 |
Rebolinth | Q: can any language be linked as a plugin interface? | 11 May 11:26:49 |
Gabriele | plugins themeselves can be open/closed | 11 May 11:26:52 |
Gabriele | norman, they are a dll | 11 May 11:27:01 |
Rebolinth | C or C++ ? | 11 May 11:27:22 |
Gabriele | if you can make a dll, you are probably fine, but of course more details will be available later on | 11 May 11:27:23 |
Gabriele | C | 11 May 11:27:32 |
Rebolinth | C is more compiliant with library calls though.. | 11 May 11:27:40 |
Gabriele | no C++ in rebol except for AGG | 11 May 11:27:41 |
Rebolinth | A great ! | 11 May 11:27:43 |
Rebolinth | im happy.. | 11 May 11:28:08 |
Rebolinth | so plugins are OS indepentend as i understand... | 11 May 11:29:24 |
Gabriele | yes. devices are os dependent. | 11 May 11:29:42 |
Pekr | What about security model? we were expecting improvements for browser plug-in, but the same topic may concern rebol plug-ins - you can plug dll, which code you don't have under control? | 11 May 11:30:02 |
Maxim | plugins have to be compiled as a library on each OS dll, dso, etc. | 11 May 11:30:09 |
Graham | Is rebol3 going to be compatible with beer? | 11 May 11:30:14 |
Rebolinth | what is the core size of a minimal plugin ? | 11 May 11:30:16 |
Pekr | Rebolinth - I doubt plug-ins are OS independent ... | 11 May 11:30:24 |
Terry | Let the religious wars begin :) | 11 May 11:30:40 |
Gabriele | graham, i'm not sure i understand the question. will it run the current beer? no. can you port beer to it? yes. | 11 May 11:31:19 |
Graham | Not me :( | 11 May 11:31:58 |
Anton | Thankyou again Carl ! | 11 May 11:32:35 |
Gabriele | minimal plugin size: between 4-8k depending on your compiler | 11 May 11:33:15 |
Graham | has anyone made Carl drunk enough to reveal how to do server side SSL yet ?? | 11 May 11:33:22 |
Rebolinth | ..thanks.. | 11 May 11:33:23 |
Graham | dockimbel said he was going to try ... | 11 May 11:33:32 |
Reichart | Graham, for my side, I still plan to support beer, I get the framework, and see the advantages. We need our full API in place first. | 11 May 11:33:37 |
Dockimbel | ;-) | 11 May 11:34:01 |
Pekr | What about security model? we were expecting improvements for browser plug-in, but the same topic may concern rebol plug-ins - you can plug dll, which code you don't have under control? | 11 May 11:34:06 |
Graham | Don't know what Jaime is planning if anything | 11 May 11:34:07 |
Gabriele | Elixir now | 11 May 11:34:16 |
Sunanda | Maxim is setting up | 11 May 11:34:37 |
Graham | all in french | 11 May 11:34:59 |
Reichart | Do they actaully both speak FRench, or just wave hands at each other? | 11 May 11:35:03 |
Reichart | They seem to be able to just wave hands to communicate. | 11 May 11:35:35 |
Graham | sub vocalizing | 11 May 11:35:49 |
Pekr | hands dialect :-) | 11 May 11:36:05 |
Graham | communicating at sub sonic frequencies | 11 May 11:36:05 |
Terry | That presentation makes me think RT is still betting heavy on the desktop | 11 May 11:36:14 |
Mario | Reichart: hand communication is an Italian habit, not French! ;) | 11 May 11:36:14 |
Graham | any reporters going to write a summary of each session?? | 11 May 11:36:51 |
Gabriele | RT is betting heavy on REBOL, and REBOL can run everywhere. AltME 3 runs on the desktop (and i guess in other places too) | 11 May 11:37:04 |
Reichart | Yeah, but when FRench talk to Canadians.......they have to bridge 300 years.... | 11 May 11:37:19 |
Gabriele | graham, afaik videos are still planned to be relased after the devcon | 11 May 11:37:33 |
Pekr | Graham - we would be fine for Carl's promissed slides, but he probably wanted to make some changes, so we've got no slides so far ;-) | 11 May 11:37:33 |
Graham | Thanks .. bit hard to understand what's going on without notes | 11 May 11:38:07 |
Pekr | Gabriele - what do you mean by AltME runs on desktop? | 11 May 11:38:08 |
Reichart | Didier always me reminds me of this character: http://hemsidor.torget.se/users/b/boatman/pictures/zorg.jpg | 11 May 11:38:33 |
Gabriele | desktop in the sense terry used it | 11 May 11:38:43 |
Gabriele | Didier lol | 11 May 11:40:12 |
Anton | R.:) | 11 May 11:40:20 |
Reichart | That is why I like Didier, he is a bad guy.........like me. | 11 May 11:41:55 |
Graham | Why isn't the camera on the screen?? | 11 May 11:42:34 |
Gabriele | it can't focus the screen | 11 May 11:42:50 |
Dockimbel | Reichart: for me you are a clone of this Guy, a famous french comic guy named "Michael youn". See by yourself : http://www.cbo-boxoffice.com/full/p12822.jpg But anyway, never talk me again. I don't know of your existence anymore > DideC |
11 May 11:43:05 |
Graham | no manual focusing system?? | 11 May 11:43:09 |
Henrik | graham, when it tries to focus, we lose audio on the stream :-) | 11 May 11:43:27 |
Graham | Can't we have dual video streams? | 11 May 11:43:52 |
Graham | guess not | 11 May 11:44:02 |
Henrik | graham, AFAIK the show is being recorded with another camera right next to this one | 11 May 11:44:16 |
Dockimbel | It's not Apple WWDC !! | 11 May 11:44:34 |
Reichart | Doc - Yeah, I do look like that. In fact a lot like that when I was very young. LOL | 11 May 11:44:34 |
Henrik | dockimbel, right. there's no room for a camera crane in there | 11 May 11:45:58 |
Sunanda | Maxim's slides are online: http://www.pointillistic.com/open-REBOL/moa/steel/liquid/plug/plug-quickstart.html |
11 May 11:46:00 |
Reichart | Here is a pick of me at 16 http://brkvw.com/images/Photos/BRKVW-BeachwoodLolas.jpg Much like Youn... | 11 May 11:47:09 |
Henrik | btw. did anyone bring a camera to take pictures at the devcon? would make good press stuff. | 11 May 11:49:25 |
Henrik | maxim waving his hands around = eager REBOL developer | 11 May 11:49:51 |
Reichart | I tihnk the goal is to keep this all a secret..........shhhhhhhhhhhh! | 11 May 11:50:17 |
Graham | Wow, Max has three arms | 11 May 11:50:56 |
Terry | That must have been your Disco days Reichart | 11 May 11:51:25 |
Dockimbel | You looked like a famous singer duo in the eighties http://www.goudy.ca/carnet/images/D&J.jpg | 11 May 11:52:26 |
Will | Liquid sounds good too! | 11 May 11:53:53 |
Graham | Who sings with a dog as a duet?? | 11 May 11:54:07 |
Graham | Ask Max is liquid is actually finished... | 11 May 11:54:40 |
Volker | Police usually. At least my dog thinks so^^ | 11 May 11:55:10 |
Reichart | It was a popular look back then LOL but I think I actually look a lot like this - Hank Scorpio http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/6140/homerundscorpio6ap.jpg |
11 May 11:55:15 |
Reichart | Liquid looks Awesome! | 11 May 11:55:24 |
Graham | Hmm. I think I've seen a pix of Volker with a dog ... | 11 May 11:55:59 |
Gabriele | graham: yes it is :) | 11 May 11:56:04 |
Graham | Was that competition to identify Rebolers a few years ago ? | 11 May 11:56:19 |
Will | now Reichart you have to hire Maxim and rebuild Qtask on top of it | 11 May 11:56:26 |
Graham | G: thanks | 11 May 11:56:32 |
Graham | MIT license | 11 May 11:56:59 |
Dockimbel | Reichart: I go to trouble now that Youn and you wear a barb! http://elveteran.mon-blog.org/images/24487/people/Youn.jpg | 11 May 11:57:45 |
Sunanda | Volker + dog photo: the first demo of packages on REBOL.org: http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/view-package-file.r?file-name=image4.jpg&script-name=lds-demo1-package.r |
11 May 11:58:23 |
Terry | Here's a current set of photos of our team http://redwerks.org/team | 11 May 11:59:41 |
Reichart | Youn looks a little like Ringo Star... | 11 May 12:00:16 |
Reichart | Maxim and I have talked...he is doing great with what he is doing, I would love to have him on our team if it could all work. | 11 May 12:00:59 |
Reichart | That Volker pic reminds me of ...................... http://www.angelpoet.com/autographs/1autographrobbiecoltrane.jpg | 11 May 12:06:41 |
Reichart | Time to point the camera at teh screen a littel. | 11 May 12:07:47 |
Terry | Perhaps Carl can enlighten us on R3 licensing while were on the subject ? | 11 May 12:08:14 |
Reichart | The quality of the feed from France is very nice. | 11 May 12:08:21 |
Sunanda | sadly camera man not on altme so cannot respond to requests. | 11 May 12:08:43 |
Graham | guess it's not dial up | 11 May 12:08:46 |
Reichart | But can non-cam man walk over to cam and jump past the Union? : ) | 11 May 12:10:22 |
Graham | doesn't speak English?? | 11 May 12:11:12 |
Gabriele | camera man says it won't focus | 11 May 12:11:46 |
Terry | hehe.. some expressions are universal :) | 11 May 12:12:05 |
Pekr | Should I post mine photo too? Well, I could, I just realised this channel is web-public and oficially linked to DevCon site ;-) | 11 May 12:12:23 |
Terry | no.. shut up.. same everywhere :) | 11 May 12:12:24 |
Graham | idiot proof technology :( | 11 May 12:12:26 |
Graham | no manual override | 11 May 12:12:46 |
Pekr | Graham - maybe you have to download some firmware update for the cam first to resolve the buggy software :-) | 11 May 12:13:25 |
Graham | How about Max stand next to the screen ... and the camera can focus on Max and capture the screen as well?? | 11 May 12:13:53 |
Graham | Or, Sunanda can stand next to screen to act as a focus ?? | 11 May 12:14:21 |
Gabriele | lol | 11 May 12:14:38 |
Graham | I guess you can't focus a camera on Glass | 11 May 12:15:11 |
Reichart | Yah, the rule is simple for the Cam, less than 50% of the area needs to be the projecfed image, it should then stay in focus when somoene is standing in front of it. | 11 May 12:15:24 |
Gabriele | it's Elixir :) | 11 May 12:15:34 |
Brock | doh, it was working great!! | 11 May 12:15:34 |
Graham | someone tell them!!! | 11 May 12:16:06 |
Graham | Max's left hand isn't doing much ... use it as a focal point | 11 May 12:16:53 |
Brock | are you watching the same video as I am?? | 11 May 12:17:19 |
Graham | gesticulation doesn't count .. he's using the mouse with his right hand | 11 May 12:17:40 |
Graham | awww..... | 11 May 12:18:44 |
Graham | agg gadgets we can't see :( | 11 May 12:18:54 |
Rebolinth | ..back..elixer? | 11 May 12:18:59 |
Graham | Even Carl doesn't know what Max is talking about | 11 May 12:19:24 |
Gabriele | yep | 11 May 12:19:30 |
Reichart | LOL | 11 May 12:19:36 |
Gabriele | yep was to rebolinth ;) | 11 May 12:19:57 |
Reichart | It is a diff way of thinking than View. | 11 May 12:19:58 |
Rebolinth | do [ move room -90 ] | 11 May 12:20:41 |
Rebolinth | thanks !.. | 11 May 12:20:52 |
Gabriele | ok, off to lunch | 11 May 12:20:52 |
Graham | applause | 11 May 12:20:57 |
Will | BIG CLAP CLAP | 11 May 12:20:59 |
Gabriele | see you.... later :) | 11 May 12:21:06 |
Rebolinth | Now some Rebol-Soup ! | 11 May 12:21:22 |
Will | Bon Appetit! et pas trop de vin.. | 11 May 12:21:27 |
Anton | set-stainless node ; == do it now | 11 May 12:21:45 |
Graham | is that a halo around carl ? | 11 May 12:21:47 |
Rebolinth | there is a halo in the whole room ;-) | 11 May 12:22:11 |
Volker | Now. H elistens to you :) | 11 May 12:22:14 |
Anton | sorry I meant "plug" | 11 May 12:22:14 |
Graham | Can someone try and get the camera to work in the lunch break guys??? | 11 May 12:22:28 |
Rebolinth | please move it to the wall | 11 May 12:22:41 |
Graham | It can't be so frigging difficult | 11 May 12:22:48 |
Rebolinth | well? its a frensh wall afterall.. | 11 May 12:23:08 |
Graham | France is a nuclear power | 11 May 12:23:11 |
Henrik | graham, it was nearly the same yesterday. we can only hope the recordings are going to be better | 11 May 12:23:16 |
Terry | ok.. 3:30 am .. cya | 11 May 12:23:45 |
Graham | if it was like that yesterday, they had 24 hours to work on the problem :( | 11 May 12:24:02 |
Reichart | At least point the cam towards teh door, so we can see each explosion, er , I mean person come and go. | 11 May 12:24:11 |
Henrik | Graham, the camera guy does not speak english and is not online on AltME. I don't even know whether he is communicating with the rest of the team :-) | 11 May 12:24:51 |
Graham | do those guys know their conspiracy is being broadcast ? | 11 May 12:24:57 |
Graham | Ok, next year in Maui | 11 May 12:25:24 |
Rebolinth | another handgranate,,, | 11 May 12:25:47 |
Graham | great .. now we get to see the sun pass over ! :) | 11 May 12:26:05 |
Reichart | In Maui we will have full video recording and broadcasting. Maui has one of the most powerful computers and research centers in the world! | 11 May 12:26:07 |
Graham | I bags a room at Reichart's house! | 11 May 12:26:27 |
Reichart | http://www.mhpcc.edu/ | 11 May 12:26:29 |
Rebolinth | sound like a place the secret service hides out... | 11 May 12:26:55 |
Henrik | all of these problems with Skype and such are giving me ideas on video, audio and text feeds that can be redirected and piped on the fly to servers that transmit with very specific needs. off the shelf components seem to fall short here. | 11 May 12:27:14 |
Reichart | http://www.mhpcc.hpc.mil/ | 11 May 12:27:16 |
Rebolinth | Oke they are gone !! shall we now move that cam ourselfs? | 11 May 12:27:25 |
Reichart | We are not hiding... | 11 May 12:27:25 |
Graham | I could ask Weta Studios if we could use their studios | 11 May 12:27:39 |
Henrik | Rebolinth: or where Mr. Incredible goes to face the villain with the wild hair (forgot his name) | 11 May 12:28:03 |
Rebolinth | is that SP complex for real? ;-) | 11 May 12:28:13 |
Graham | I should get one of those remote IP cameras with pan and zoom | 11 May 12:28:40 |
Rebolinth | wow nice IBM z/os park ;-) | 11 May 12:28:42 |
Graham | Linksys do one | 11 May 12:28:49 |
Graham | and audio | 11 May 12:28:57 |
Reichart | The center is home to some of the country's major high performance computing resources. The new IBM "huinalu" cluster was unveiled in February as the most powerful Linux Supercluster in the world. Overall, the center is ranked in the top 20 supercomputing sites in the world and is the second most powerful supercomputer center in the Department of Defense. | 11 May 12:29:06 |
Graham | well, I guess it would be off limits | 11 May 12:29:43 |
Graham | I no longer have my security clearance | 11 May 12:29:56 |
Rebolinth | I have seen a lot of server parks but none of them where so blue as this one ;-) great! | 11 May 12:30:03 |
Reichart | We can have our meetings at the research center. Morning - go surfing Mid morning - Conference Lunch more conference Afternoon - high winds so we go wind surfing Evening - more conference Night - dinner. |
11 May 12:30:27 |
Henrik | I can't swim | 11 May 12:30:52 |
Reichart | We are planning to move Qtask to some of these systems in teh next year or so. | 11 May 12:30:59 |
Reichart | Henrik, most of the beaches are only 1-2 meers deep. | 11 May 12:31:13 |
Reichart | meters | 11 May 12:31:21 |
Graham | no stingrays? | 11 May 12:31:31 |
Reichart | http://www.visitmaui.com/beaches.html | 11 May 12:31:52 |
Reichart | No stingrays | 11 May 12:31:55 |
Henrik | Reichart, I guess I'm not much of a water person :-) Last time I was at the beach was +10 years ago. | 11 May 12:32:14 |
Graham | what is there to do if you believe water is only for drinking? | 11 May 12:32:16 |
Rebolinth | Ill try and encourage my employer to let me remote-work from maui.. | 11 May 12:32:26 |
Rebolinth | man what an island... | 11 May 12:32:42 |
Reichart | Graham, 60% of people in Hawaii look (and act) like you, you will love it here! | 11 May 12:33:02 |
Graham | You've never seen me! | 11 May 12:33:25 |
Robert | Windsurfing... yeah, would be great. I hope you have strong winds. My sinker now needs 10 to get me out of the water :-) | 11 May 12:33:26 |
Reichart | These are your people. Most people don't go in the ocean...they hike, fish, etc. | 11 May 12:33:33 |
Graham | Ok, you've met my brother ... | 11 May 12:34:00 |
Reichart | 15-30 knott winds in the afternoon offf the beach. You can water start (walk with your board and just launch out into the ocean) | 11 May 12:34:09 |
Reichart | Right...............I have met your brother. | 11 May 12:34:22 |
Graham | He's the one who likes like 60% of Hawaiians | 11 May 12:34:50 |
Rebolinth | ...we have lots of water here too..it only poors out of the air instead.. ;-) | 11 May 12:34:56 |
Graham | looks | 11 May 12:34:57 |
Reichart | In that link I posted, Baldwin beach is walking distance from my place. | 11 May 12:35:21 |
Reichart | http://www.visitmaui.com/Baldwin.jpg | 11 May 12:35:31 |
Graham | oh .. watch out for global warming | 11 May 12:35:44 |
Graham | beach front properties ... might get swamped | 11 May 12:35:59 |
Reichart | Telling you guys, if you are going to take time, and spend money on travel, MAUI is the place to have the conference. | 11 May 12:36:04 |
Henrik | what about occasional hurricanes? | 11 May 12:36:36 |
Reichart | So rare not worth talking about. | 11 May 12:36:51 |
Graham | I've been to Maui before | 11 May 12:37:23 |
Reichart | I also own this boat : http://www.igu.ro/latrecut/wp-content/uploads/2006/03/baywatch_3634732.jpg | 11 May 12:37:38 |
Reichart | (long story.............) but we can do speed boat rides. | 11 May 12:37:49 |
Reichart | (No I don't know or want to know the people in the boat). | 11 May 12:38:05 |
Graham | Got a statue of Kamehameha-I on my mantel peice | 11 May 12:38:13 |
Rebolinth | hee i fin no no Qtask/Quilt group in Altme? | 11 May 12:38:16 |
Reichart | There is a !Qtask group | 11 May 12:38:37 |
Rebolinth | !QM is the only Q i see actualy.. | 11 May 12:39:08 |
Graham | Hmm. Created with Lava. | 11 May 12:39:09 |
Graham | Wasn't that the protoname for Rebol ?? | 11 May 12:39:23 |
Reichart | Just the original name consideration. | 11 May 12:39:39 |
Graham | If so, how fitting to return to Maui :) | 11 May 12:39:43 |
Reichart | Carl loves Hawaii, just ask him. | 11 May 12:40:17 |
Rebolinth | ...Heee they are clearing the room out... | 11 May 12:42:21 |
Rebolinth | ..kidding... | 11 May 12:42:31 |
Graham | someone slip in and focus the camera for them | 11 May 12:42:58 |
Rebolinth | I could drive to paris... 5 hours from here.. | 11 May 12:43:13 |
Graham | Go Norman | 11 May 12:43:25 |
Will | look, Carl is on top of the Tour.. http://paris.arounder.com/tour_eiffel/ | 11 May 12:43:31 |
Rebolinth | I think ill just be able to unplug the cam at that point ;-) | 11 May 12:43:48 |
Pekr | Hawai ... I wonder how expensive is there a stay? Reichart - could you tell us? E.g. one room - at least average price? | 11 May 12:44:28 |
Rebolinth | reichart: help-[at]-qtask.com is the right way to get more info on qtask/Quilt ? | 11 May 12:44:53 |
Rebolinth | Im seeking promotional matter for our marketing/product people.. | 11 May 12:45:12 |
Reichart | I know a lot of people with B&Bs so I think it will be cheaper than paris. As in less than $100 per night. | 11 May 12:45:13 |
Graham | Pekr, Reichart has a mansion ... | 11 May 12:45:21 |
Reichart | I might be able to get it to $60 or so. | 11 May 12:45:21 |
Graham | and a beachfront .. can sleep on the beach! | 11 May 12:45:33 |
Reichart | It is actually mostly illigal to sleep on the beach in Maui. | 11 May 12:45:50 |
Graham | Huh? No native rights? | 11 May 12:46:05 |
Pekr | Because - I was never in US. And going to Hawai sounds like going for vacation ... where, accidentally, is Rebol conference too :-) | 11 May 12:46:44 |
Reichart | I don't think even Natives can sleep on the beach, but I could be wrong about that... | 11 May 12:46:45 |
Reichart | They do have some rights, but mostly in the "they can have some land for free as long as they don't sell it" sort of way. | 11 May 12:47:18 |
Graham | So, you can sleep on the beach during the day, just not during the night? | 11 May 12:48:01 |
Reichart | I have to call it a night, I have only slept 2 hours in the past 48, and have a bunch of meetings in the next 16 hours. | 11 May 12:48:17 |
Graham | Which is okay for night workers. | 11 May 12:48:24 |
Reichart | Correct,beaches have diff rules at night (after sunset), also there are strong rules about people under 18. They have to have an adult, etc. | 11 May 12:48:51 |
Graham | Ah... Paradise lost | 11 May 12:49:14 |
Reichart | Maui is very conservative, so after 6:00, most things close, bars close around 10:00. | 11 May 12:49:16 |
Reichart | Maui is a morning place, not a night place. | 11 May 12:49:27 |
Graham | What would Milton say ... | 11 May 12:49:37 |
Reichart | Paradise was lost when the Christians planted African thorn trees on the beaches of maui to stop the natives from walking around barefoot.................but that is for a diff group : ) | 11 May 12:50:00 |
Reichart | G'night mate... | 11 May 12:50:09 |
Graham | Night | 11 May 12:51:12 |
Graham | The Scots just brought gorse to NZ to remind them of home | 11 May 12:51:59 |
Rebolinth | stream is gone in sleep mode? | 11 May 13:00:47 |
Rebolinth | ..its back.. | 11 May 13:01:24 |
Rebolinth | we can track the eating rebollers in paris via spy cams..... http://www.parijs.nl/id/469 | 11 May 13:12:37 |
Anton | Will need a lot of "enhancement" to see them in those webcams :) | 11 May 13:27:29 |
Pekr | Does someone here understand the relation between Altme 3 = View + IOS + AltME? :-) | 11 May 13:31:41 |
Rebolinth | perhpas its the flexibility of functionality | 11 May 13:32:40 |
Robert | No, IMO it's a product consolidation step. Whereas I don't know what /View has to do with this. | 11 May 13:36:50 |
Robert | Merging AltME & IOS concepts into one product is OK. | 11 May 13:37:06 |
Pekr | in the case of AltME IOS merge, I would like to know what is the business model ;-) | 11 May 13:39:44 |
Pekr | I think that kind of IOS product could serve as an app distribution framework, and as such, should be free, whereas apps (reblets) could be free or commercial ... | 11 May 13:40:33 |
Rebolinth | do they have trouble confinsing the french taxi driver to stop driver around the eiffel tower? | 11 May 14:09:32 |
Pekr | we are nearly one hour off, and Carl's session about Modules was not even presented. Will DevCon continue tomorrow? :-) | 11 May 14:13:08 |
Will | welcome back, wine was good I can hear it! | 11 May 14:18:18 |
Mario | Sometimes a hit to the door was heard: did they drink too much wine to unlock the door, earlier? | 11 May 14:19:00 |
Rebolinth | do event [ cam ] [ pick move -90 ] | 11 May 14:20:15 |
Rebolinth | i think we need a robotic-cam next year.. | 11 May 14:21:45 |
Mario | We will fight remotely to cammand it | 11 May 14:22:08 |
Mario | command | 11 May 14:22:14 |
Will | panoramic cam with everyone choosing his view angle | 11 May 14:23:49 |
PhilB | Is Carl speaking next? | 11 May 14:24:12 |
Rebolinth | hes bussy paying the taxi driver i think... | 11 May 14:24:38 |
Rebolinth | Qui cést bon! | 11 May 14:24:57 |
Rebolinth | Un peut Zoom | 11 May 14:25:14 |
Rebolinth | plus | 11 May 14:25:17 |
btiffin | That one pan angle... :) | 11 May 14:27:05 |
Rebolinth | non!..qui ! la | 11 May 14:27:23 |
Sunanda | Max restarting now -- more on Elixir | 11 May 14:28:51 |
Gabriele | elixir is over | 11 May 14:50:44 |
btiffin | Well Done Maxim; | 11 May 14:51:07 |
Sunanda | Nice, Max! | 11 May 14:51:21 |
btiffin | It's a deep tool. | 11 May 14:51:47 |
Pekr | Now Modules? | 11 May 14:52:23 |
Sunanda | Now Ron Everett -- Associative Systems | 11 May 14:52:48 |
Gabriele | associative data models | 11 May 14:52:53 |
Pekr | ah, interesting ... | 11 May 14:53:05 |
Henrik | perhaps it's like my Relations Engine, just done by someone who knows what he's talking about :-) | 11 May 15:00:18 |
Maxim | btw, sorry for the rushy session we are missing time. | 11 May 15:00:29 |
Maxim | its MUCH more ;-) beleive me ;-) | 11 May 15:00:41 |
Volker | (i recognise my spoken english is much to bad to follow this. hope there comes something written/recorded (if recorded i can try it a few times^^) | 11 May 15:01:31 |
Pekr | Max - I think henrik was talking about associative session :-) | 11 May 15:01:48 |
Sunanda | His first slide said Relavance Technology. That seems to be this: http://www.associativesolutions.com/relavance.php |
11 May 15:01:58 |
Rebolinth | thanks.. | 11 May 15:02:14 |
Rebolinth | why are we always getting back to xml when w have blocks and lists ;-) funny... | 11 May 15:03:31 |
Maxim | yes, me to:-) | 11 May 15:03:38 |
Maxim | (pekr) | 11 May 15:03:47 |
Robert | Because it's so nicely messed up. | 11 May 15:03:57 |
Sunanda | sadly, xml is the csv of the web :-) | 11 May 15:04:09 |
Robert | csv = complex structured values | 11 May 15:04:27 |
Dockimbel | Pekr: schedule has changed due to ...hem, you know, pb with Skype session and so on. Carl said us at the beginning that he coul addadpt his speach to the needs. Making 2, 3 or more sessions, grouping things... So modules where introduced this morning, but We will not have time to make a session on it. Hope he will pubhished his slide on it anyway |
11 May 15:04:44 |
Robert | Hey Ron, don't talk so much. Show us the system... | 11 May 15:04:58 |
Dockimbel | it comes | 11 May 15:05:14 |
Sunanda | comma separated values: dumb data for interchange between systems | 11 May 15:05:27 |
Rebolinth | I like to see more of the sheets from Ron... goes pritty deep..nice... | 11 May 15:05:59 |
Maxim | sunanda, specifically, that site is not the relavance site. maybe, its a local reseller of the technology. | 11 May 15:06:03 |
btiffin | Except xml still can't pass "nulls" without SOAP or some such...sad | 11 May 15:06:10 |
Maxim | relavance is canadian technology. | 11 May 15:06:19 |
Sunanda | sorry, max! | 11 May 15:06:23 |
Robert | It's just using a graph-based approach. Good idea, and really better. no query necessary just traverse the graph. | 11 May 15:07:01 |
Rebolinth | wow they relay digged it all out... nice.. | 11 May 15:07:01 |
Maxim | they actually have no website AFAIK. | 11 May 15:07:05 |
Robert | www.e4graph.com | 11 May 15:07:14 |
Robert | Adding database accessors at the leafs... well. Not so new up to now. | 11 May 15:08:12 |
Rebolinth | integrating with rebol though is a nice close fit based on linquistics.. | 11 May 15:08:56 |
Maxim | robert you are not getting it... there is no tables or accessors. | 11 May 15:09:38 |
Robert | Do they have graph-layout included? | 11 May 15:09:43 |
Henrik | it sounds very much like my RE, except my RE does not have that ability to move around freely in the structure, and you have to cross relate manually. no "traversing" back and forth. you can't start in the "middle" of the tree. | 11 May 15:10:53 |
Maxim | not sure, but they work at a much higher level, they can aggregate contexts and relationship set based on multi-dimensional. | 11 May 15:11:11 |
Maxim | henrik, nope, the concept of contexts is paramount. you are working in one dimension, relavance has n dimensions. | 11 May 15:11:42 |
Rebolinth | pfiew... | 11 May 15:12:42 |
Rebolinth | Ron did his home work ... | 11 May 15:12:55 |
Pekr | What is that good for practically? Is there any commercial app using that aproach? Or is that only academic thingy? :-) | 11 May 15:13:04 |
Maxim | 14 years of development. | 11 May 15:13:07 |
Rebolinth | what...! | 11 May 15:13:14 |
Rebolinth | great! | 11 May 15:13:17 |
Robert | n Dimension = n entry / output edges | 11 May 15:13:44 |
Maxim | didn't you hear him ... he talked about that "small gang" at DARPA with | 11 May 15:13:54 |
Maxim | no, its n sets of edges. | 11 May 15:14:07 |
Maxim | input/output is one dimension. its a relationship of dependency. | 11 May 15:14:43 |
Robert | Well, than you have clustered your edges to a grouping node... | 11 May 15:14:43 |
Maxim | actually its "requirement" | 11 May 15:14:51 |
Maxim | free your mind of a graph... each node as multiple sets of edges. | 11 May 15:15:38 |
Maxim | and you can operate based on what those sets mean to each other. | 11 May 15:15:56 |
Maxim | (something like that) | 11 May 15:16:09 |
Rebolinth | haha..he's funny.. | 11 May 15:17:51 |
Henrik | well, I guess 14 years beats my 2-3 weeks of development | 11 May 15:17:58 |
Maxim | lol | 11 May 15:18:16 |
Rebolinth | Where is this actualy used this is complex... | 11 May 15:18:32 |
Maxim | its actually VERY simple... just like REBOL. its so simple it makes your head hurt in the begining. | 11 May 15:19:34 |
Gabriele | here petr, apps | 11 May 15:21:17 |
Rebolinth | Mmmmm so a live-backup of this should be a pace of cake related to the flexibilty... | 11 May 15:21:26 |
Pekr | What relation does it have to Rebol? Is he using Rebol anywhere? | 11 May 15:22:19 |
Maxim | are you seeing how complex the problems he is mapping? trying to map this into databases, means queries which scrub piles of data, in relavance, there no "scrubing" | 11 May 15:22:26 |
Maxim | if you define enough relations and contexts, you have access to all data immediately. | 11 May 15:22:51 |
Rebolinth | fantastic ! | 11 May 15:22:52 |
Dockimbel | No yet, the idea is to try to see how Revalance and REBOL can fit together | 11 May 15:23:19 |
Maxim | and it can index 128 bits of things. | 11 May 15:23:30 |
Pekr | This guy comes from other planet .... (of data relation knowledge :-) | 11 May 15:23:54 |
Anton | "shelter" - if he does not talk about it, I would ask him about security. Separate traditional databases implies a certain amount of security, by isolation. A single database with "everything your organisation knows" in it must have lines of control. I suppose the security controls is just a concept which is associated like anything else... but would like to know his explanation. | 11 May 15:24:02 |
Gabriele | petr, do you remember Carl's blog about this tech? | 11 May 15:24:04 |
Rebolinth | he's good.. | 11 May 15:24:06 |
Maxim | his query language is almost directly loadable by rebol... ! | 11 May 15:24:09 |
Pekr | I wonder if he knows Sentences :-) | 11 May 15:24:15 |
Pekr | Gabriele - no .... | 11 May 15:24:25 |
Dockimbel | in fact, 128bits means 128 dimension (if i understood correctly) | 11 May 15:24:35 |
Maxim | you should see Carl and Ron talk... it gets brain splits. | 11 May 15:24:43 |
Rebolinth | ahhahaha | 11 May 15:24:57 |
Anton | No, 4 x 32bits = 4 dimensions, I think. | 11 May 15:25:08 |
Pekr | Well, they should form some venture and use the thing for some Artificial Intelligence things. You remember Carl studies brain and how it behaves (neurons) :-) | 11 May 15:25:43 |
Rebolinth | man this is so well thought thru ist actualy bridging the problem to simplicity... | 11 May 15:25:46 |
Maxim | they get into defining how quantum mechanics, fit into rebol and relavance... so they both are complementary :-D | 11 May 15:25:48 |
Anton | each dimension has 32bit range of possible unique items. (the length of the dimension) | 11 May 15:25:52 |
Maxim | not quite, that is the physical structure dimension. | 11 May 15:26:38 |
Maxim | the actual number of nodes which can be identified. | 11 May 15:26:57 |
Rebolinth | hahaha | 11 May 15:27:17 |
Maxim | each levels can map to a specific type of hw/sw structure. | 11 May 15:27:18 |
Pekr | We should use something like that for next-gen Virtual OS :-) To distribute and relate our apps :-) | 11 May 15:27:39 |
Rebolinth | Rebol/Vista | 11 May 15:27:49 |
Maxim | so that you can easily (and quickly) know if a node is local or on the other side of the earth | 11 May 15:28:05 |
Maxim | see him briging the gaps !!! ;-) | 11 May 15:28:32 |
Rebolinth | bad connectin suddenly | 11 May 15:28:46 |
Maxim | rather: REBOL/Universe |
11 May 15:28:47 |
Maxim | we can do or no ANYthing! ;-) | 11 May 15:29:08 |
Maxim | no=know | 11 May 15:29:19 |
Rebolinth | NOOOO | 11 May 15:29:28 |
Rebolinth | not xml | 11 May 15:29:32 |
btiffin | He is talking very real-world fail cases now...but they will continue failing... | 11 May 15:29:37 |
Pekr | Imagine companie's Document management system, based upon that. Or CRM. You query company, and get linked all relevant emails, scanned faxes, documents as invoices, orders, whatever, cross linked ... | 11 May 15:30:25 |
Maxim | exactly | 11 May 15:32:20 |
Rebolinth | link quality is dropping here.. | 11 May 15:32:37 |
Gabriele | developer-[at]-relavance.com | 11 May 15:34:48 |
Maxim | this tool is pretty insane. | 11 May 15:36:22 |
Maxim | notice its name: "Thought" | 11 May 15:36:32 |
Rebolinth | I have the idea that the concept of flexibility is exposed here to its unlimits ... ;-) | 11 May 15:36:54 |
Maxim | exactly... there is no design phase... the analysis is simply implemented. | 11 May 15:37:26 |
Rebolinth | would be nice to drag and drop my brain in that application and let is parse into contexts automaticly.. | 11 May 15:40:37 |
Pekr | :-)) | 11 May 15:41:26 |
Sunanda | Implementing the analysis is only possible if the response times meet the business needs. If not, you need a faster layer. | 11 May 15:41:37 |
Gabriele | sorry, email is developers-[at]-relavance.com (missed the s) | 11 May 15:41:41 |
Gabriele | and website is http://www.relavance.com/ | 11 May 15:41:50 |
Rebolinth | Its close to AI... | 11 May 15:42:28 |
Maxim | oh, that is new!!! | 11 May 15:42:28 |
Pekr | Max - geeting some ideas to be put into Elixir? :-) | 11 May 15:43:58 |
Maxim | hi, you want to propose or are asking? | 11 May 15:44:29 |
Pekr | asking :-) | 11 May 15:44:49 |
Pekr | I mean - after seeing Don's presentation .... | 11 May 15:45:18 |
Maxim | hehe, well Ron is 15km from work ;-) | 11 May 15:45:51 |
Maxim | so, I am priviledged :-) | 11 May 15:46:09 |
Maxim | carl also seems to like liquid :-D and liked liquidGL a lot... | 11 May 15:46:35 |
Maxim | so there might be a way to get relavance and RT as the engine, and elixir as the desktop :-) | 11 May 15:47:23 |
Rebolinth | liquidGL.. I need to roam more rebol sites.. | 11 May 15:47:26 |
Maxim | it would allow millions of nodes | 11 May 15:47:46 |
Maxim | his system is not specifically meant for dataflow "processing" but can be used to support its specification, so we could actually store the data into relavance, I guess. | 11 May 15:48:44 |
Rebolinth | i need more sugar... | 11 May 15:49:27 |
Maxim | BTW, my demo was supposed to include a networked node system, but a snag in my hasty implimentation kept me from finishing in time for the devcon. | 11 May 15:50:05 |
Maxim | this allows us to send the node data inbetween two sessions of elixir . | 11 May 15:50:35 |
Gabriele | you see, graham is right, you never finish anything. | 11 May 15:51:03 |
Gabriele | :P | 11 May 15:51:09 |
Maxim | hehe | 11 May 15:51:17 |
Rebolinth | Mmmmm beem me up scotty..... oke and now my clothes.... | 11 May 15:51:24 |
Maxim | well who said I was done ;-) | 11 May 15:51:31 |
Maxim | whould be done by next week, I guess I'll keep it for the actual file release. | 11 May 15:52:06 |
Maxim | 500 million items "Starts" to slow down | 11 May 15:53:09 |
Maxim | (relavance that is!) | 11 May 15:53:25 |
Henrik | that's acceptable | 11 May 15:53:30 |
Rebolinth | :) | 11 May 15:53:42 |
Maxim | note that if we where to equate that to cell count we can easily multiply by 10, maybe much more. | 11 May 15:54:05 |
Rebolinth | how do you fit 500 Million in a Graphical presentaion ? | 11 May 15:54:20 |
Maxim | you filter out what you are working on. | 11 May 15:54:38 |
Rebolinth | well as a overall display its still 1 million... | 11 May 15:55:06 |
Rebolinth | 1 dot per inch.. | 11 May 15:55:23 |
PhilB | Who is on next? | 11 May 15:56:22 |
Christian | could anyone take a high-res photo of the screen? | 11 May 15:56:24 |
Anton | Q: How many companies or organisations have implemented an associative database up til now ? | 11 May 15:56:55 |
Christian | that'd be great, as it's very hard to recognize anything (apart from random windows) on the stream ... | 11 May 15:57:04 |
Rebolinth | Q: how quick is searching in the database... | 11 May 15:57:34 |
Anton | Christian, I had a good look at their website when it was mentioned first here in rebol-land. I am pretty sure you can find the whole presentation there. | 11 May 15:57:52 |
Maxim | there is no searching. | 11 May 15:57:53 |
Rebolinth | but in a structure of 1 million how do i get from a -> z quickly ? | 11 May 15:58:30 |
Maxim | everything is indexed on entry. | 11 May 15:59:21 |
Maxim | every single item (cell) | 11 May 15:59:31 |
Anton | They said the system requires modern CPUs because it takes more number crunching. (from memory about an order of magnitude more than relational databases.) | 11 May 15:59:38 |
Maxim | notice he sais "Find" not "Search" | 11 May 15:59:51 |
Rebolinth | oke thanks.. | 11 May 15:59:59 |
Robert | That's it. As always: Speed or Space. | 11 May 16:00:05 |
Maxim | one reason is that they kick out VM. | 11 May 16:01:13 |
Maxim | relavance does not use one single byte in VM, so its ram never gets paged to disk. | 11 May 16:01:36 |
Maxim | so you actually need more ram because of that... but actually, the nodes are all on disk. | 11 May 16:02:03 |
Maxim | so you can read and trash all nodes, at disk speed, so its very efficient actually. | 11 May 16:02:34 |
Christian | anton, you mean relavance.com? can't find much there in terms of technical information ... | 11 May 16:03:06 |
Anton | Can't be corrupted. I've got some ways that will help. But I guess he means the core system is very simple, small, and used very frequently, therefore hard to introduce bugs into. | 11 May 16:03:42 |
Anton | Christian, I would follow the original blog article link, maybe. | 11 May 16:04:23 |
Maxim | IIRC they have different disk access methods, but have their own File system which kicks out the os, so that they can properly implement the DMA. also note that their memory model has no memory fragmentation the available ram and disk space is always contiguous!! | 11 May 16:05:38 |
Anton | I remember reading a fair bit of material similar to maybe the first third what we're seeing now. | 11 May 16:05:40 |
Maxim | so its not just the concepts which are interesting, its the actual implementation to. | 11 May 16:06:01 |
Maxim | hw wise you cannot corrupt it, but obviously, if your application trashses connections... you can bugger up the db! | 11 May 16:06:54 |
Pekr | ah, my message did not get it thru :-) Is Carl's Concluding remarks following? Maybe a time for final questions? | 11 May 16:08:40 |
Rebolinth | Just out of curriosity, is there any existing relation to Intelligent (AI) software, 3th party software, with this concept? | 11 May 16:10:57 |
Rebolinth | self-solving context modules.. | 11 May 16:14:35 |
Anton | thanks Gabriele. Just what I thought. | 11 May 16:14:39 |
Gabriele | A: to anton: very few organizations have implemented an AD up to now. Departement of Defense,, and also Health Care in Canada | 11 May 16:14:43 |
Gabriele | :) | 11 May 16:15:01 |
Maxim | Resistance to change. just like REBOL. | 11 May 16:15:09 |
btiffin | Hey, I worked at both those departments...way back. | 11 May 16:15:17 |
btiffin | Well, the US DoD work was thru NDHQ... | 11 May 16:15:56 |
Christian | it sounds mighty interesting, but given the depth of information (or lack thereof) on their web site it doesn't surprise me that the hordes aren't storming in ... | 11 May 16:16:40 |
Anton | Q: (not so important) How long ago did the DoD implement an Associative Database ? | 11 May 16:17:01 |
Brock | [NDHQ being Canada's equivalent of US - DoD] | 11 May 16:17:14 |
Maxim | he was speaking of american DoD | 11 May 16:17:46 |
Anton | It's too abstract for most people. | 11 May 16:18:08 |
Brock | my reference was to btiffin's statement of his work with DoD was through Canada's equivalent. | 11 May 16:18:42 |
btiffin | Back then, Ada was the choice of lingo for the DoD, another, umm, high level fail case | 11 May 16:18:48 |
Christian | I doubt that, there's just not enough information for people to evaluate whether it _could_ be interesting for them. | 11 May 16:19:25 |
Pekr | let's keep it in sane levels .... using rebol :-) | 11 May 16:19:33 |
btiffin | Agreed...simple is far safer for avoiding fail cases | 11 May 16:20:04 |
Maxim | his gui is a bit un intuitive, I had a private demo a few weeks ago and it a while before it feeling "obvious" to me. | 11 May 16:20:09 |
Christian | ... and web research is hampered by the fact that "relavance" is a common misspelling ;-) | 11 May 16:20:55 |
Rebolinth | ooo wow what nice drawings he has... realy great.. | 11 May 16:20:59 |
Maxim | and BTW thought is just One application... its not The application. | 11 May 16:20:59 |
Sunanda | 5 min break now | 11 May 16:21:24 |
Rebolinth | Thanks Ron ! | 11 May 16:21:27 |
Anton | Massive applause from me !! | 11 May 16:21:30 |
btiffin | That was a good intro... | 11 May 16:21:41 |
Henrik | clap, clap, etc. | 11 May 16:21:45 |
Will | yea very interesting | 11 May 16:21:48 |
Sunanda | tx Ron | 11 May 16:22:09 |
Anton | Thankyou Ron. | 11 May 16:22:22 |
Maxim | almost 1000 connections today ! | 11 May 16:22:46 |
Maxim | (on the web streams) | 11 May 16:22:54 |
Rebolinth | Oke who is getting the cake out ? | 11 May 16:22:56 |
Rebolinth | ill grab coffee | 11 May 16:23:05 |
Christian | the stream really works fantastically well, congrats on that! | 11 May 16:23:27 |
Rebolinth | had some bad hickups last hour.. | 11 May 16:23:46 |
Rebolinth | now the link is stable again | 11 May 16:23:59 |
Christian | if there was a second cam shooting high-res images of the projections that'd be optimal. | 11 May 16:24:06 |
Christian | (updated every 30sec or so) | 11 May 16:24:29 |
Henrik | there is an iSight sitting right next to this one | 11 May 16:24:37 |
Christian | oh! | 11 May 16:27:31 |
Christian | operational too? ;-) | 11 May 16:27:51 |
yeksoon | is there a summary of the sessions .... could not catch up with all the conversations here |
11 May 16:27:56 |
Henrik | well, it was pointing at the same spot when I last saw it yesterday :-) | 11 May 16:28:18 |
Christian | only question is, where does the data go? ;-) | 11 May 16:30:14 |
Rebolinth | hahaha | 11 May 16:30:25 |
btiffin | Imagine when we have video Altme... :) | 11 May 16:30:36 |
Gabriele | yeksoon... we don't have summaries... at least not yet | 11 May 16:31:13 |
Rebolinth | Would be nice to click individual peopl in the Video stream and turn their volume up or down.. | 11 May 16:31:28 |
Gabriele | there will be videos online so you'll be able to catch up | 11 May 16:31:40 |
Rebolinth | when in group conversation i mean.. | 11 May 16:32:00 |
Rebolinth | :-) | 11 May 16:32:08 |
Rebolinth | like now.. Turn the guys behind the laptop to 1% and increase the people on the right.. | 11 May 16:32:39 |
Rebolinth | ;-) | 11 May 16:32:47 |
PhilB | Gab ... did you report the first video to you tube? | 11 May 16:33:20 |
Sunanda | Rons says he's happy to anawer questions their developers' group. That email address again: developers-[at]-relavance.com |
11 May 16:33:28 |
PhilB | report = repost | 11 May 16:33:28 |
Gabriele | phil: unfontunately, i can't from here (because it fills up the bw) and i have no other way to connect | 11 May 16:33:59 |
Rebolinth | thanks.. | 11 May 16:34:06 |
Gabriele | so... i'll post it from home if the official videos are not up yet when i'm back | 11 May 16:34:33 |
PhilB | OK thanks Gab .... | 11 May 16:34:55 |
Rebolinth | a i have visual again | 11 May 16:36:52 |
Sunanda | Nicolas Fournier speaking -- Language Teaching Tools | 11 May 16:37:44 |
Mario | Zhong guo hua | 11 May 16:38:27 |
Rebolinth | Cam Pai! | 11 May 16:39:37 |
Rebolinth | with a regular character base of 2000-3000 for a regular chinees this is handy for europeans indeed! ;-) | 11 May 16:43:44 |
Rebolinth | i think it was + 3000 in Taiwan for educated people.. | 11 May 16:44:00 |
Rebolinth | does it differentiate in diatects aready or is it mandrin by base. | 11 May 16:46:54 |
btiffin | I got to play with a demo Kanji keyboard at IBM once. Holy deskspace batman. 18 shift keys. Used in combination to build the characters. |
11 May 16:47:05 |
Rebolinth | Thats Japanse not chinese...? | 11 May 16:47:35 |
Anton | wow ! | 11 May 16:47:42 |
Rebolinth | So this is about japansese then.. | 11 May 16:47:53 |
Rebolinth | No its chinese from the characters.. | 11 May 16:48:08 |
Mario | Yep, Chinese keyboard is a normal US or UK keyboard and you write in pinyin or with specific input methods | 11 May 16:48:22 |
Anton | One of the Japanese forms uses Chinese characters. | 11 May 16:49:11 |
Rebolinth | I have some stuff here from China that has english menu's but some it put pack after reset to chinese.. Still unable to figure out how to put it all back ;-) This tool is a handy helpout here.. | 11 May 16:49:43 |
Rebolinth | nice ! | 11 May 16:51:08 |
Rebolinth | oo he realy did a nice job... | 11 May 16:52:44 |
btiffin | The demo IBM keyboard had some 800 'stroke' keys with the 18 shift permutations... But this looks much nicer :) |
11 May 16:53:16 |
Rebolinth | hahaha..great .. | 11 May 16:53:19 |
Mario | Nice as a ZX Spectrum | 11 May 16:55:31 |
Jerry | what he is saying is about the seguence of strokes in chinese character. | 11 May 16:57:04 |
Jerry | more info here http://www.edu.tw/EDU_WEB/EDU_MGT/MANDR/EDU6300001/allbook/bishuen/p1a.htm?open | 11 May 16:57:18 |
Mario | Yes, the program draws like a brush with the right strokes order | 11 May 16:57:40 |
Brock | Thanks everyone for your presentations. I look forward to seeing whatever materials that can be put together and summarized online. | 11 May 17:02:17 |
Rebolinth | thanks | 11 May 17:02:32 |
btiffin | That was pretty cool. | 11 May 17:02:51 |
Mario | do http://www.xuehanyu.org/sinoglyph.r | 11 May 17:03:22 |
Rebolinth | all create by you Carl !! | 11 May 17:03:43 |
Gabriele | we're closing now :) see you later on (probably sunday) | 11 May 17:03:50 |
Anton | Thankyou very much !! | 11 May 17:04:15 |
btiffin | Thanks Sahores Conseil.... That was a great couple of days. | 11 May 17:04:36 |
Rebolinth | ..thanks for the onlne streaming.. | 11 May 17:05:07 |
Mario | Yep, it was great, please put some technical details on Qtask Devcon Project! | 11 May 17:05:57 |
Anton | Thanks Gabriele for your support. | 11 May 17:17:56 |
DaveC | Enjoyed watching most of devcon in the office over the stream. Thanks for that stream. Loved the talk by Ron on ADBMS. It would be great to see some of that technology filter down in Rebol. There are is other video on You Tube? I'll have a search. | 11 May 17:55:48 |
DaveC | Sorry "There are is.." is a typo. There is other video on You Tube? | 11 May 17:56:51 |
Henrik | I'm still a little amazed that 1000 people appearently watched the stream | 11 May 17:57:01 |
DaveC | Wow. REally good figures. | 11 May 17:57:45 |
Rebolinth | 1000 connections i guess that was.. | 11 May 17:58:07 |
Rebolinth | thats a little different.. | 11 May 17:58:23 |
DaveC | Maybe scale the srean up into a full production job for next year then? | 11 May 17:58:27 |
DaveC | srean = stream | 11 May 17:58:47 |
Henrik | if we're smart (and have the time) the presentation tool will be rebuilt so that the presentation can be broadcast | 11 May 17:59:15 |
DaveC | Yes, having a seperate stream with the presentaions would be very cool. | 11 May 17:59:48 |
PhilB | We might investigate u Stream .... | 11 May 18:00:04 |
DaveC | u Stream? I guess is a live web service? | 11 May 18:00:54 |
Rebolinth | perhpas stream.rebol.com could stream 24hrs a day the conferences they had so far.. | 11 May 18:01:54 |
PhilB | Leo Laporte was trying it on Twit & his radio show, the Tech Guy ... real time video streaming. | 11 May 18:02:25 |
DaveC | Talking of presentations, I didn't catch which script Carl was using for his talks. Does anyone know if that script is online. I did a quick search on rebol.org but nothing came up. Any pointers gratefully received. | 11 May 18:04:44 |
btiffin | PhilB...I'm on Leo's new show on Friday. | 11 May 18:05:18 |
btiffin | I'm going to try my best to plug REBOL. | 11 May 18:05:42 |
Henrik | davec, they are not online yet as he altered the presentation just prior to doing them | 11 May 18:07:56 |
DaveC | Thanks Henrik. I'll look out for them later. | 11 May 18:08:36 |
PhilB | Brian .... is that "The Lab" or one ofthe podcasts? | 11 May 18:15:17 |
Henrik | would sure like to get my hands on that ADBMS... | 11 May 18:15:58 |
DaveC | Yes, me too. I would imagine it's a bit expensive. | 11 May 18:18:10 |
DaveC | In my area of work (Bioinformatics) we have a national "standard" database with a complex model which breaks easily. Ron's words were like poetry to me - I sure could use his database! | 11 May 18:21:00 |
BrianH | I hope that they get the slides or static copies of the streams up soon. With my schedule, I have not been able to be awake and online during any of the presentations, even to chat here. | 11 May 18:49:05 |
btiffin | Phil; The Lab. (over the phone) Scheduled for Friday 12:00 to 2:00pm, Airs June 19th. | 11 May 18:51:00 |
Mchean | where is the stream? | 11 May 18:57:37 |
Mchean | got it http://www.sahores-conseil.com/?q=node/2 | 11 May 18:59:21 |
Mchean | do you know if it supports Opera | 11 May 19:01:22 |
Mchean | and is it still going on? | 11 May 19:02:22 |
btiffin | DevCon is over. But it was a QuickTime feed. | 11 May 19:03:20 |
Jean-François | no , they are done | 11 May 19:03:26 |
Mchean | ok too late :( | 11 May 19:03:40 |
btiffin | It was good. Word is YouTube postings are coming soon. | 11 May 19:08:29 |
Mchean | cool | 11 May 19:08:42 |
Mchean | good move too! | 11 May 19:08:47 |
btiffin | Yep. | 11 May 19:09:14 |
Christophe | Now finally in state of joining the conversation... | 11 May 20:30:16 |
Christophe | Do you have any feedback about the web site ? I will publish it on QTask, for the future generations... | 11 May 20:31:25 |
Christophe | I will ask RT to host the site archive and the videos. My host at rebdocproj.org does not allow too much HD space.... | 11 May 20:33:07 |
Pekr | hehe, by the lack of new info about R3 from the DevCon (due to my insufficient ability to follow spoken English, as well as due to no slides released), I wen to http://www.rebol.net/cgi-bin/r3blog.r?index=0 and re-read most of the blogs and its comments, and now I feel that so much was said already about R3, that I feel satisifed :-) | 11 May 21:37:50 |
Pekr | well, for few days, at least ... untill Carl is back - then it is time to bug him to post DevCon slides somewhere :-) | 11 May 21:38:46 |
Brock | DaveC: For devcon 2005 Carl had a script called... show.r. The script he was using this time seems to be slightly different from the last Devcon as the last devcon the show.r had a clock displaying the time remaining using a very fancy clock. | 11 May 22:15:31 |
Henrik | yes, I'm sorry about that clock. I was not aware of the dimensions the clock was supposed to have :-) | 11 May 22:21:53 |
Brock | I didn't find it on Rebol.org. You'd think it would either be there or atleast accessible from the View desktop, in Tools, but it's not. | 11 May 22:22:21 |
Henrik | http://hmkdesign.dk/rebol/clock.zip | 11 May 22:22:50 |
Brock | I thought you were responsible for that. Seems Carl modified the idea for the new show.r | 11 May 22:23:02 |
Henrik | yes, an inverted progress bar is more subtle | 11 May 22:23:49 |
Henrik | normally you'd have the timer on your laptop display and not on the presentation | 11 May 22:24:17 |
Henrik | oops, its http://hmkdesign.dk/rebol/old/clock.zip | 11 May 22:24:34 |
Pekr | I can imagine complete cute app for DevCons. Not video and sound till Rebol 3 and proper plug-ins, but imagine this - kind of server (Cheyenne), accepting outer connections. Each presenter would have to send his slides to conference organisers, who would put it into structure - Schedule, with time slots. I know that schedules are missed, or skipped, but once connected, you could see what session is actually broadcasted, you could see progress bar of the estimated time left till the end of the session, and as presenter would go via slides, it would be "broadcasted" to outer world ... | 11 May 22:27:52 |
Henrik | pekr, to supplement your idea, it could go outside and in as well, presenting your stuff on the big screen from home | 11 May 22:28:44 |
Pekr | The trouble is, that sessions are not always like that - sometimes you simply show code, live demo etc., so that part cold be troublesome. Still better than nonthing .... | 11 May 22:28:51 |
Pekr | Henrik - good idea ... | 11 May 22:29:12 |
Henrik | but we have to hurry: MacOSX Leopard's iChat is going to have precisely that feature :-) | 11 May 22:29:50 |
Pekr | Maybe we would need two beamers - e.g. how Reichart presented his stuff. On one screen you could see face of presenter right corner, and slides, the second one could be used for live demo or something like that :-) | 11 May 22:30:28 |
Henrik | http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.tuaw.com/media/2007/04/ichat_theaterscreenshot.jpg <-- like this? :-) | 11 May 22:32:01 |
Pekr | yes ;-) | 11 May 22:38:06 |
Henrik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvsboPUjrGc <--- I hope we will be equally enthustiastic at the next devcon | 11 May 23:00:29 |
Terry | "The future is here, it's just unevenly distributed among pithy sci-fi authors" | 11 May 23:12:51 |
Terry | So... what have we learned for R3? - unlimited words Good enough for me. |
11 May 23:38:14 |
Terry | Have we learned what the licensing structure will be? The current license has been a roadblock to Rebol promotion/acceptance.. is this still the case? | 11 May 23:57:21 |