| Name | Message | Time (Paris) |
|---|---|---|
| btiffin | He is talking very real-world fail cases now...but they will continue failing... | 11 May 15:29:37 |
| Pekr | Imagine companie's Document management system, based upon that. Or CRM. You query company, and get linked all relevant emails, scanned faxes, documents as invoices, orders, whatever, cross linked ... | 11 May 15:30:25 |
| Maxim | exactly | 11 May 15:32:20 |
| Rebolinth | link quality is dropping here.. | 11 May 15:32:37 |
| Gabriele | developer-[at]-relavance.com | 11 May 15:34:48 |
| Maxim | this tool is pretty insane. | 11 May 15:36:22 |
| Maxim | notice its name: "Thought" | 11 May 15:36:32 |
| Rebolinth | I have the idea that the concept of flexibility is exposed here to its unlimits ... ;-) | 11 May 15:36:54 |
| Maxim | exactly... there is no design phase... the analysis is simply implemented. | 11 May 15:37:26 |
| Rebolinth | would be nice to drag and drop my brain in that application and let is parse into contexts automaticly.. | 11 May 15:40:37 |
| Pekr | :-)) | 11 May 15:41:26 |
| Sunanda | Implementing the analysis is only possible if the response times meet the business needs. If not, you need a faster layer. | 11 May 15:41:37 |
| Gabriele | sorry, email is developers-[at]-relavance.com (missed the s) | 11 May 15:41:41 |
| Gabriele | and website is http://www.relavance.com/ | 11 May 15:41:50 |
| Rebolinth | Its close to AI... | 11 May 15:42:28 |
| Maxim | oh, that is new!!! | 11 May 15:42:28 |
| Pekr | Max - geeting some ideas to be put into Elixir? :-) | 11 May 15:43:58 |
| Maxim | hi, you want to propose or are asking? | 11 May 15:44:29 |
| Pekr | asking :-) | 11 May 15:44:49 |
| Pekr | I mean - after seeing Don's presentation .... | 11 May 15:45:18 |
| Maxim | hehe, well Ron is 15km from work ;-) | 11 May 15:45:51 |
| Maxim | so, I am priviledged :-) | 11 May 15:46:09 |
| Maxim | carl also seems to like liquid :-D and liked liquidGL a lot... | 11 May 15:46:35 |
| Maxim | so there might be a way to get relavance and RT as the engine, and elixir as the desktop :-) | 11 May 15:47:23 |
| Rebolinth | liquidGL.. I need to roam more rebol sites.. | 11 May 15:47:26 |
| Maxim | it would allow millions of nodes | 11 May 15:47:46 |
| Maxim | his system is not specifically meant for dataflow "processing" but can be used to support its specification, so we could actually store the data into relavance, I guess. | 11 May 15:48:44 |
| Rebolinth | i need more sugar... | 11 May 15:49:27 |
| Maxim | BTW, my demo was supposed to include a networked node system, but a snag in my hasty implimentation kept me from finishing in time for the devcon. | 11 May 15:50:05 |
| Maxim | this allows us to send the node data inbetween two sessions of elixir . | 11 May 15:50:35 |
| Gabriele | you see, graham is right, you never finish anything. | 11 May 15:51:03 |
| Gabriele | :P | 11 May 15:51:09 |
| Maxim | hehe | 11 May 15:51:17 |
| Rebolinth | Mmmmm beem me up scotty..... oke and now my clothes.... | 11 May 15:51:24 |
| Maxim | well who said I was done ;-) | 11 May 15:51:31 |
| Maxim | whould be done by next week, I guess I'll keep it for the actual file release. | 11 May 15:52:06 |
| Maxim | 500 million items "Starts" to slow down | 11 May 15:53:09 |
| Maxim | (relavance that is!) | 11 May 15:53:25 |
| Henrik | that's acceptable | 11 May 15:53:30 |
| Rebolinth | :) | 11 May 15:53:42 |
| Maxim | note that if we where to equate that to cell count we can easily multiply by 10, maybe much more. | 11 May 15:54:05 |
| Rebolinth | how do you fit 500 Million in a Graphical presentaion ? | 11 May 15:54:20 |
| Maxim | you filter out what you are working on. | 11 May 15:54:38 |
| Rebolinth | well as a overall display its still 1 million... | 11 May 15:55:06 |
| Rebolinth | 1 dot per inch.. | 11 May 15:55:23 |
| PhilB | Who is on next? | 11 May 15:56:22 |
| Christian | could anyone take a high-res photo of the screen? | 11 May 15:56:24 |
| Anton | Q: How many companies or organisations have implemented an associative database up til now ? | 11 May 15:56:55 |
| Christian | that'd be great, as it's very hard to recognize anything (apart from random windows) on the stream ... | 11 May 15:57:04 |
| Rebolinth | Q: how quick is searching in the database... | 11 May 15:57:34 |
| Anton | Christian, I had a good look at their website when it was mentioned first here in rebol-land. I am pretty sure you can find the whole presentation there. | 11 May 15:57:52 |
| Maxim | there is no searching. | 11 May 15:57:53 |
| Rebolinth | but in a structure of 1 million how do i get from a -> z quickly ? | 11 May 15:58:30 |
| Maxim | everything is indexed on entry. | 11 May 15:59:21 |
| Maxim | every single item (cell) | 11 May 15:59:31 |
| Anton | They said the system requires modern CPUs because it takes more number crunching. (from memory about an order of magnitude more than relational databases.) | 11 May 15:59:38 |
| Maxim | notice he sais "Find" not "Search" | 11 May 15:59:51 |
| Rebolinth | oke thanks.. | 11 May 15:59:59 |
| Robert | That's it. As always: Speed or Space. | 11 May 16:00:05 |
| Maxim | one reason is that they kick out VM. | 11 May 16:01:13 |
| Maxim | relavance does not use one single byte in VM, so its ram never gets paged to disk. | 11 May 16:01:36 |
| Maxim | so you actually need more ram because of that... but actually, the nodes are all on disk. | 11 May 16:02:03 |
| Maxim | so you can read and trash all nodes, at disk speed, so its very efficient actually. | 11 May 16:02:34 |
| Christian | anton, you mean relavance.com? can't find much there in terms of technical information ... | 11 May 16:03:06 |
| Anton | Can't be corrupted. I've got some ways that will help. But I guess he means the core system is very simple, small, and used very frequently, therefore hard to introduce bugs into. | 11 May 16:03:42 |
| Anton | Christian, I would follow the original blog article link, maybe. | 11 May 16:04:23 |
| Maxim | IIRC they have different disk access methods, but have their own File system which kicks out the os, so that they can properly implement the DMA. also note that their memory model has no memory fragmentation the available ram and disk space is always contiguous!! | 11 May 16:05:38 |
| Anton | I remember reading a fair bit of material similar to maybe the first third what we're seeing now. | 11 May 16:05:40 |
| Maxim | so its not just the concepts which are interesting, its the actual implementation to. | 11 May 16:06:01 |
| Maxim | hw wise you cannot corrupt it, but obviously, if your application trashses connections... you can bugger up the db! | 11 May 16:06:54 |
| Pekr | ah, my message did not get it thru :-) Is Carl's Concluding remarks following? Maybe a time for final questions? | 11 May 16:08:40 |
| Rebolinth | Just out of curriosity, is there any existing relation to Intelligent (AI) software, 3th party software, with this concept? | 11 May 16:10:57 |
| Rebolinth | self-solving context modules.. | 11 May 16:14:35 |
| Anton | thanks Gabriele. Just what I thought. | 11 May 16:14:39 |
| Gabriele | A: to anton: very few organizations have implemented an AD up to now. Departement of Defense,, and also Health Care in Canada | 11 May 16:14:43 |
| Gabriele | :) | 11 May 16:15:01 |
| Maxim | Resistance to change. just like REBOL. | 11 May 16:15:09 |
| btiffin | Hey, I worked at both those departments...way back. | 11 May 16:15:17 |
| btiffin | Well, the US DoD work was thru NDHQ... | 11 May 16:15:56 |
| Christian | it sounds mighty interesting, but given the depth of information (or lack thereof) on their web site it doesn't surprise me that the hordes aren't storming in ... | 11 May 16:16:40 |
| Anton | Q: (not so important) How long ago did the DoD implement an Associative Database ? | 11 May 16:17:01 |
| Brock | [NDHQ being Canada's equivalent of US - DoD] | 11 May 16:17:14 |
| Maxim | he was speaking of american DoD | 11 May 16:17:46 |
| Anton | It's too abstract for most people. | 11 May 16:18:08 |
| Brock | my reference was to btiffin's statement of his work with DoD was through Canada's equivalent. | 11 May 16:18:42 |
| btiffin | Back then, Ada was the choice of lingo for the DoD, another, umm, high level fail case | 11 May 16:18:48 |
| Christian | I doubt that, there's just not enough information for people to evaluate whether it _could_ be interesting for them. | 11 May 16:19:25 |
| Pekr | let's keep it in sane levels .... using rebol :-) | 11 May 16:19:33 |
| btiffin | Agreed...simple is far safer for avoiding fail cases | 11 May 16:20:04 |
| Maxim | his gui is a bit un intuitive, I had a private demo a few weeks ago and it a while before it feeling "obvious" to me. | 11 May 16:20:09 |
| Christian | ... and web research is hampered by the fact that "relavance" is a common misspelling ;-) | 11 May 16:20:55 |
| Rebolinth | ooo wow what nice drawings he has... realy great.. | 11 May 16:20:59 |
| Maxim | and BTW thought is just One application... its not The application. | 11 May 16:20:59 |
| Sunanda | 5 min break now | 11 May 16:21:24 |
| Rebolinth | Thanks Ron ! | 11 May 16:21:27 |
| Anton | Massive applause from me !! | 11 May 16:21:30 |
| btiffin | That was a good intro... | 11 May 16:21:41 |
| Henrik | clap, clap, etc. | 11 May 16:21:45 |
| Will | yea very interesting | 11 May 16:21:48 |
| Sunanda | tx Ron | 11 May 16:22:09 |
| Anton | Thankyou Ron. | 11 May 16:22:22 |
| Maxim | almost 1000 connections today ! | 11 May 16:22:46 |
| Maxim | (on the web streams) | 11 May 16:22:54 |
| Rebolinth | Oke who is getting the cake out ? | 11 May 16:22:56 |
| Rebolinth | ill grab coffee | 11 May 16:23:05 |
| Christian | the stream really works fantastically well, congrats on that! | 11 May 16:23:27 |
| Rebolinth | had some bad hickups last hour.. | 11 May 16:23:46 |
| Rebolinth | now the link is stable again | 11 May 16:23:59 |
| Christian | if there was a second cam shooting high-res images of the projections that'd be optimal. | 11 May 16:24:06 |
| Christian | (updated every 30sec or so) | 11 May 16:24:29 |
| Henrik | there is an iSight sitting right next to this one | 11 May 16:24:37 |
| Christian | oh! | 11 May 16:27:31 |
| Christian | operational too? ;-) | 11 May 16:27:51 |
| yeksoon | is there a summary of the sessions .... could not catch up with all the conversations here |
11 May 16:27:56 |
| Henrik | well, it was pointing at the same spot when I last saw it yesterday :-) | 11 May 16:28:18 |
| Christian | only question is, where does the data go? ;-) | 11 May 16:30:14 |
| Rebolinth | hahaha | 11 May 16:30:25 |
| btiffin | Imagine when we have video Altme... :) | 11 May 16:30:36 |
| Gabriele | yeksoon... we don't have summaries... at least not yet | 11 May 16:31:13 |
| Rebolinth | Would be nice to click individual peopl in the Video stream and turn their volume up or down.. | 11 May 16:31:28 |
| Gabriele | there will be videos online so you'll be able to catch up | 11 May 16:31:40 |
| Rebolinth | when in group conversation i mean.. | 11 May 16:32:00 |
| Rebolinth | :-) | 11 May 16:32:08 |
| Rebolinth | like now.. Turn the guys behind the laptop to 1% and increase the people on the right.. | 11 May 16:32:39 |
| Rebolinth | ;-) | 11 May 16:32:47 |
| PhilB | Gab ... did you report the first video to you tube? | 11 May 16:33:20 |
| Sunanda | Rons says he's happy to anawer questions their developers' group. That email address again: developers-[at]-relavance.com |
11 May 16:33:28 |
| PhilB | report = repost | 11 May 16:33:28 |
| Gabriele | phil: unfontunately, i can't from here (because it fills up the bw) and i have no other way to connect | 11 May 16:33:59 |
| Rebolinth | thanks.. | 11 May 16:34:06 |
| Gabriele | so... i'll post it from home if the official videos are not up yet when i'm back | 11 May 16:34:33 |
| PhilB | OK thanks Gab .... | 11 May 16:34:55 |
| Rebolinth | a i have visual again | 11 May 16:36:52 |
| Sunanda | Nicolas Fournier speaking -- Language Teaching Tools | 11 May 16:37:44 |
| Mario | Zhong guo hua | 11 May 16:38:27 |
| Rebolinth | Cam Pai! | 11 May 16:39:37 |
| Rebolinth | with a regular character base of 2000-3000 for a regular chinees this is handy for europeans indeed! ;-) | 11 May 16:43:44 |
| Rebolinth | i think it was + 3000 in Taiwan for educated people.. | 11 May 16:44:00 |
| Rebolinth | does it differentiate in diatects aready or is it mandrin by base. | 11 May 16:46:54 |
| btiffin | I got to play with a demo Kanji keyboard at IBM once. Holy deskspace batman. 18 shift keys. Used in combination to build the characters. |
11 May 16:47:05 |
| Rebolinth | Thats Japanse not chinese...? | 11 May 16:47:35 |
| Anton | wow ! | 11 May 16:47:42 |
| Rebolinth | So this is about japansese then.. | 11 May 16:47:53 |
| Rebolinth | No its chinese from the characters.. | 11 May 16:48:08 |
| Mario | Yep, Chinese keyboard is a normal US or UK keyboard and you write in pinyin or with specific input methods | 11 May 16:48:22 |
| Anton | One of the Japanese forms uses Chinese characters. | 11 May 16:49:11 |
| Rebolinth | I have some stuff here from China that has english menu's but some it put pack after reset to chinese.. Still unable to figure out how to put it all back ;-) This tool is a handy helpout here.. | 11 May 16:49:43 |
| Rebolinth | nice ! | 11 May 16:51:08 |
| Rebolinth | oo he realy did a nice job... | 11 May 16:52:44 |
| btiffin | The demo IBM keyboard had some 800 'stroke' keys with the 18 shift permutations... But this looks much nicer :) |
11 May 16:53:16 |
| Rebolinth | hahaha..great .. | 11 May 16:53:19 |
| Mario | Nice as a ZX Spectrum | 11 May 16:55:31 |
| Jerry | what he is saying is about the seguence of strokes in chinese character. | 11 May 16:57:04 |
| Jerry | more info here http://www.edu.tw/EDU_WEB/EDU_MGT/MANDR/EDU6300001/allbook/bishuen/p1a.htm?open | 11 May 16:57:18 |
| Mario | Yes, the program draws like a brush with the right strokes order | 11 May 16:57:40 |
| Brock | Thanks everyone for your presentations. I look forward to seeing whatever materials that can be put together and summarized online. | 11 May 17:02:17 |
| Rebolinth | thanks | 11 May 17:02:32 |
| btiffin | That was pretty cool. | 11 May 17:02:51 |
| Mario | do http://www.xuehanyu.org/sinoglyph.r | 11 May 17:03:22 |
| Rebolinth | all create by you Carl !! | 11 May 17:03:43 |
| Gabriele | we're closing now :) see you later on (probably sunday) | 11 May 17:03:50 |
| Anton | Thankyou very much !! | 11 May 17:04:15 |
| btiffin | Thanks Sahores Conseil.... That was a great couple of days. | 11 May 17:04:36 |
| Rebolinth | ..thanks for the onlne streaming.. | 11 May 17:05:07 |
| Mario | Yep, it was great, please put some technical details on Qtask Devcon Project! | 11 May 17:05:57 |
| Anton | Thanks Gabriele for your support. | 11 May 17:17:56 |
| DaveC | Enjoyed watching most of devcon in the office over the stream. Thanks for that stream. Loved the talk by Ron on ADBMS. It would be great to see some of that technology filter down in Rebol. There are is other video on You Tube? I'll have a search. | 11 May 17:55:48 |
| DaveC | Sorry "There are is.." is a typo. There is other video on You Tube? | 11 May 17:56:51 |
| Henrik | I'm still a little amazed that 1000 people appearently watched the stream | 11 May 17:57:01 |
| DaveC | Wow. REally good figures. | 11 May 17:57:45 |
| Rebolinth | 1000 connections i guess that was.. | 11 May 17:58:07 |
| Rebolinth | thats a little different.. | 11 May 17:58:23 |
| DaveC | Maybe scale the srean up into a full production job for next year then? | 11 May 17:58:27 |
| DaveC | srean = stream | 11 May 17:58:47 |
| Henrik | if we're smart (and have the time) the presentation tool will be rebuilt so that the presentation can be broadcast | 11 May 17:59:15 |
| DaveC | Yes, having a seperate stream with the presentaions would be very cool. | 11 May 17:59:48 |
| PhilB | We might investigate u Stream .... | 11 May 18:00:04 |
| DaveC | u Stream? I guess is a live web service? | 11 May 18:00:54 |
| Rebolinth | perhpas stream.rebol.com could stream 24hrs a day the conferences they had so far.. | 11 May 18:01:54 |
| PhilB | Leo Laporte was trying it on Twit & his radio show, the Tech Guy ... real time video streaming. | 11 May 18:02:25 |
| DaveC | Talking of presentations, I didn't catch which script Carl was using for his talks. Does anyone know if that script is online. I did a quick search on rebol.org but nothing came up. Any pointers gratefully received. | 11 May 18:04:44 |
| btiffin | PhilB...I'm on Leo's new show on Friday. | 11 May 18:05:18 |
| btiffin | I'm going to try my best to plug REBOL. | 11 May 18:05:42 |
| Henrik | davec, they are not online yet as he altered the presentation just prior to doing them | 11 May 18:07:56 |
| DaveC | Thanks Henrik. I'll look out for them later. | 11 May 18:08:36 |
| PhilB | Brian .... is that "The Lab" or one ofthe podcasts? | 11 May 18:15:17 |
| Henrik | would sure like to get my hands on that ADBMS... | 11 May 18:15:58 |
| DaveC | Yes, me too. I would imagine it's a bit expensive. | 11 May 18:18:10 |
| DaveC | In my area of work (Bioinformatics) we have a national "standard" database with a complex model which breaks easily. Ron's words were like poetry to me - I sure could use his database! | 11 May 18:21:00 |
| BrianH | I hope that they get the slides or static copies of the streams up soon. With my schedule, I have not been able to be awake and online during any of the presentations, even to chat here. | 11 May 18:49:05 |
| btiffin | Phil; The Lab. (over the phone) Scheduled for Friday 12:00 to 2:00pm, Airs June 19th. | 11 May 18:51:00 |
| Mchean | where is the stream? | 11 May 18:57:37 |
| Mchean | got it http://www.sahores-conseil.com/?q=node/2 | 11 May 18:59:21 |
| Mchean | do you know if it supports Opera | 11 May 19:01:22 |
| Mchean | and is it still going on? | 11 May 19:02:22 |
| btiffin | DevCon is over. But it was a QuickTime feed. | 11 May 19:03:20 |
| Jean-François | no , they are done | 11 May 19:03:26 |
| Mchean | ok too late :( | 11 May 19:03:40 |
| btiffin | It was good. Word is YouTube postings are coming soon. | 11 May 19:08:29 |
| Mchean | cool | 11 May 19:08:42 |
| Mchean | good move too! | 11 May 19:08:47 |
| btiffin | Yep. | 11 May 19:09:14 |
| Christophe | Now finally in state of joining the conversation... | 11 May 20:30:16 |
| Christophe | Do you have any feedback about the web site ? I will publish it on QTask, for the future generations... | 11 May 20:31:25 |
| Christophe | I will ask RT to host the site archive and the videos. My host at rebdocproj.org does not allow too much HD space.... | 11 May 20:33:07 |
| Pekr | hehe, by the lack of new info about R3 from the DevCon (due to my insufficient ability to follow spoken English, as well as due to no slides released), I wen to http://www.rebol.net/cgi-bin/r3blog.r?index=0 and re-read most of the blogs and its comments, and now I feel that so much was said already about R3, that I feel satisifed :-) | 11 May 21:37:50 |
| Pekr | well, for few days, at least ... untill Carl is back - then it is time to bug him to post DevCon slides somewhere :-) | 11 May 21:38:46 |
| Brock | DaveC: For devcon 2005 Carl had a script called... show.r. The script he was using this time seems to be slightly different from the last Devcon as the last devcon the show.r had a clock displaying the time remaining using a very fancy clock. | 11 May 22:15:31 |
| Henrik | yes, I'm sorry about that clock. I was not aware of the dimensions the clock was supposed to have :-) | 11 May 22:21:53 |
| Brock | I didn't find it on Rebol.org. You'd think it would either be there or atleast accessible from the View desktop, in Tools, but it's not. | 11 May 22:22:21 |
| Henrik | http://hmkdesign.dk/rebol/clock.zip | 11 May 22:22:50 |
| Brock | I thought you were responsible for that. Seems Carl modified the idea for the new show.r | 11 May 22:23:02 |
| Henrik | yes, an inverted progress bar is more subtle | 11 May 22:23:49 |
| Henrik | normally you'd have the timer on your laptop display and not on the presentation | 11 May 22:24:17 |
| Henrik | oops, its http://hmkdesign.dk/rebol/old/clock.zip | 11 May 22:24:34 |
| Pekr | I can imagine complete cute app for DevCons. Not video and sound till Rebol 3 and proper plug-ins, but imagine this - kind of server (Cheyenne), accepting outer connections. Each presenter would have to send his slides to conference organisers, who would put it into structure - Schedule, with time slots. I know that schedules are missed, or skipped, but once connected, you could see what session is actually broadcasted, you could see progress bar of the estimated time left till the end of the session, and as presenter would go via slides, it would be "broadcasted" to outer world ... | 11 May 22:27:52 |
| Henrik | pekr, to supplement your idea, it could go outside and in as well, presenting your stuff on the big screen from home | 11 May 22:28:44 |
| Pekr | The trouble is, that sessions are not always like that - sometimes you simply show code, live demo etc., so that part cold be troublesome. Still better than nonthing .... | 11 May 22:28:51 |
| Pekr | Henrik - good idea ... | 11 May 22:29:12 |
| Henrik | but we have to hurry: MacOSX Leopard's iChat is going to have precisely that feature :-) | 11 May 22:29:50 |
| Pekr | Maybe we would need two beamers - e.g. how Reichart presented his stuff. On one screen you could see face of presenter right corner, and slides, the second one could be used for live demo or something like that :-) | 11 May 22:30:28 |
| Henrik | http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.tuaw.com/media/2007/04/ichat_theaterscreenshot.jpg <-- like this? :-) | 11 May 22:32:01 |
| Pekr | yes ;-) | 11 May 22:38:06 |
| Henrik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvsboPUjrGc <--- I hope we will be equally enthustiastic at the next devcon | 11 May 23:00:29 |
| Terry | "The future is here, it's just unevenly distributed among pithy sci-fi authors" | 11 May 23:12:51 |
| Terry | So... what have we learned for R3? - unlimited words Good enough for me. |
11 May 23:38:14 |
| Terry | Have we learned what the licensing structure will be? The current license has been a roadblock to Rebol promotion/acceptance.. is this still the case? | 11 May 23:57:21 |
| Chris | Reichart: you have me sold -- when is 'DevCon '08: Maui'? | 12 May 05:36:58 |
| DaveC | Brock: Many thanks for the info. I'll have a look at that if it's available. I would like to use something similar myself. | 12 May 07:20:49 |
| Pekr | I hope open source part is not GPL! | 12 May 07:26:17 |
| btiffin | Pekr; At this stage of the game, I doubt anyone wants to risk losing corporate involvement. So I'll add a ditto, me too. |
12 May 08:05:56 |
| Reichart | Well, if we can actually get enough interest in Maui, then I will get real about when is the best time. Prob, plan it for when prices are cheapest for everyone. | 12 May 10:51:10 |
| Robert | If, I will add a holiday. Hence it really requires a long pre-planning phase. | 12 May 11:56:47 |
| Reichart | In Germany, do you have a tax advantage (a write off) for travel expenses for such things as confrences? | 12 May 12:10:44 |
| Pekr | I just looked at flight prices and it is like 1000 Euro just to get there :-( | 12 May 12:21:07 |
| Pekr | whole Paris devcon would cost me half that price, if I would go ... | 12 May 12:21:38 |
| Reichart | Yes, not cheap to do it in Maui.......................but still worth considering. Paris is fun.................Maui is.............Amazing........... | 12 May 13:09:44 |
| Robert | Tax: Not if I stay two weeks ;-) But anyway... my tax accounting consultant should know a good trick. And how long is the flight? From Frankfurt to San Francisco it's 11h. And than another 6h? | 12 May 13:33:17 |
| Ashley | Got my vote for Maui, off-peak airfare would be nice but is not essential. Yes as a tax write-off. | 12 May 15:02:13 |
| eFishAnt | My vote is Sydney or Brisbane (Sydney easiest for air connections) due to the diversity of things to do there during the conference. And maybe next year my project load won't be so heavy and rushed. | 12 May 15:59:17 |
| eFishAnt | (Australia) | 12 May 15:59:50 |
| eFishAnt | London would also be cool | 12 May 16:13:41 |
| eFishAnt | my 2 cents worth | 12 May 16:13:55 |
| Kaj | Maui hot, London cool ;-) | 12 May 16:28:14 |
| eFishAnt | good comeback for a foreigner...;-) | 12 May 16:31:10 |
| Kaj | Thanks :-) | 12 May 16:34:59 |
| Kaj | Have to practise: I should be in London next year | 12 May 16:35:30 |
| Kaj | Well, England anyway | 12 May 16:35:43 |
| Geomol | Copenhagen! Anyone? :-) | 12 May 16:37:20 |
| eFishAnt | It's a joy to see how great these Devcons are getting. Such a great community in REBOL. We could call these the REBOL world domination tours. | 12 May 16:38:07 |
| eFishAnt | Copenhagen! very awesome...I would love that. | 12 May 16:38:27 |
| eFishAnt | We all need an injection of new technology every once in a while, so we don't otherwise go into withdrawal. | 12 May 16:40:36 |
| Kaj | I just heard that Copenhagen was named the most boring city of Sweden :-) | 12 May 16:45:56 |
| Chris | Hmm, how about Arran? Do you really want to trust a DevCon to the English? :P | 12 May 16:46:54 |
| eFishAnt | I thought it was in Denmark....;- | 12 May 16:46:56 |
| Geomol | LOL | 12 May 16:47:00 |
| Kaj | My Danish friend told me so | 12 May 16:47:17 |
| eFishAnt | I thought Americans were bad with geography. | 12 May 16:47:37 |
| Kaj | It was elected as such in Sweden, on historical grounds :-) | 12 May 16:47:41 |
| Kaj | Geography is like a fractal. Even if Americans would make an effort to know about it, there would be no hope zooming in | 12 May 16:49:25 |
| eFishAnt | Arran, also a choice spot (seriously). How could I have left it out? (And while we're at it, let's give Ireland back to the Irish!) | 12 May 16:49:31 |
| Geomol | http://www.copenhagen.com | 12 May 16:49:39 |
| eFishAnt | I can't wait until I have time to watch every single Devcon video and absorb what all was presented. Italy was fantastic last year. One dose lasts me for a whole year. | 12 May 16:50:36 |
| Reichart | Robert, fly to LA, stay at my LA place...enjoy LA, then fly to Maui (5 hours). I tend to fly out in the morning, and arrive by noon in Maui. | 12 May 17:12:40 |
| Reichart | Of note, I don't push hard for Maui because I live here, I push because I have traveled around the world, and I think YOU GUYS would have the most fun, do the most "different things" and collectively have a more rich experience. Since Maui is a place of the sun…we would play in the day partially, and do the DevCon in the afternoon and evenings. Everything would be done differently…it would be very cool. Swim with turtles and dolphins and perhaps whales in the morning, learn about comparative languages and new programming tricks in the afternoon. Eat the freshest fish you will every have for dinner, then enjoy a lecture outside in the warm air with the sky completely filled with stars you did not know were even there! |
12 May 17:17:23 |
| Kaj | No argument here. My mother was saved by dolphins in Hawaii last month | 12 May 17:44:29 |
| Gregg | Saved by dolphins? | 12 May 17:50:16 |
| Gregg | It sounds like we need to start a schedule for DevCons. :-) | 12 May 17:50:47 |
| Kaj | She snorkled out too far into the ocean, and was brought back by two dolphins. Apparently a common occurrence there | 12 May 18:12:04 |
| Anton | That's pretty cool :-) | 12 May 18:15:18 |
| Pekr | cool Dolphines :-) | 12 May 19:05:43 |
| Pekr | if DevCon would be in Europe, I vote for Amsterodam - 1) Maarten could help with organisation 2) I listen to two Dutch bands 3) you can legally smoke marijuana there - that would be cool beginning of innovative ideas to devcon - to smoke Carl and talk about Rebol possibilities ;-) | 12 May 19:07:51 |
| Maarten | I like the concept of the "World Domination Tour" (WDT). | 12 May 20:34:03 |
| Rebolinth | Yep if its Amsterdam then www.rebol.nl is for use ;-) | 12 May 21:53:51 |
| Rebolinth | But i prefer the holiday in Maui ;-) | 12 May 21:54:41 |
| Rebolinth | Im realy proud actualy to see Rebol grow the way it has (sounds silly but it is), there are susch a load of people doing so many intesting things with Rebol its realy refreshing to see the time and science they put it their projects..fantastic... | 12 May 21:59:41 |
| Rebolinth | <rusty-keyboard> | 12 May 22:00:29 |
| Rebolek | Hi, back from DevCon. It was AMAZING! Re: next DevCon location, there was a push from the so-called 'czech connection' for next DevCon to be in CZ, but Maui is really nice idea. But I have to sell both my liver and kidney to get there, so I'll wait for some closer location in following years :) |
13 May 02:35:45 |
| Reichart | You're not using Rebol correctly if you have sell a liver... : ) | 13 May 04:05:39 |
| btiffin | One kidney and a piece of liver at most :) | 13 May 04:07:02 |
| Jean-François | How about Montreal, It would be "half way" for all those in the northern hemisphere... | 13 May 08:05:26 |
| Terry | Montreal is a great city | 13 May 08:24:22 |
| Rebolek | Probably I'm not. Sound synthesis in Rebol is really not the straightest way to become millionare :) | 13 May 09:45:38 |
| Rebolek | But it's pretty fun thing to do :)) | 13 May 09:49:31 |
| Graham | Is there anyone who went to devcon 2007 who wishes to write a report on the conference? If so, we can publish on the rebolweek blog | 13 May 09:55:46 |
| Graham | No takers?? | 13 May 11:08:32 |
| Rebolek | Graham I wanted to write something, but I'm not sure when I'll get some time to do it. | 13 May 14:29:41 |
| eFishAnt | I started a checklist here for people to put their favorite highlights from Devcon into it (maybe useful in the future for ideas, and also a way for people to learn more) | 13 May 17:54:10 |
| Ladislav | Hello everybody | 13 May 18:27:52 |
| Ladislav | back from the Devcon | 13 May 18:28:01 |
| Ladislav | sorry for the technical difficulties during my speech | 13 May 18:28:19 |
| Ladislav | I trained with another computer where I was able to switch the keyboard layout to English as opposed to the small tablet-like device | 13 May 18:29:05 |
| Ladislav | ...where the attached keyboard was the worst possible according to french people - half Apple, half Windows layout | 13 May 18:30:02 |
| Henrik | ladislav, sorry to hear that. it was a bit difficult to make out what you said, and it didn't help that the camera hardly ever pointed at the screen. | 13 May 18:46:51 |
| Reichart | So, was the whole thing recorded, unrelated to the streams? In other words, did someone have a DigitalVideoCamera recording everything? | 13 May 18:55:19 |
| PhilB | somebodydaid there was an iSight (apple) camera next to the stream camera. | 13 May 18:57:11 |
| Henrik | I saw the isight on day one, attached to a macbook pro, sitting about half a meter to the left of the webcam. | 13 May 18:57:58 |
| Ladislav | anyway, I will update the include.html file soon for you to have the information available | 13 May 20:04:50 |
| Reichart | Cool, then we just need to push getting those streems online (hopefully edited to just teh actual talks) ASAP | 13 May 20:57:44 |
| Reichart | I would really like to see all the other other talks. | 13 May 20:57:53 |
